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Brexit

Daniele Della Bona@DaniDellaBona1

#Brexit How to turn a potential good thing (running higher deficit) in a very bad thing (commit to more austerity) @wbmosler @gbracci_des

2016 aza. 25

Andrea Terzi@ndrea_terzi

@DaniDellaBona @wbmosler @gbracci_des This is precisely ONE reason why leaving the EU and Euro is not a “solution”

Warren B. Mosler@wbmosler

@ndrea_terzi @DaniDellaBona @gbracci_des And yet without a credible plan B, the desired plan A doesn’t even get a fair hearing 🙁

2016 aza. 26

Brexit eta B plana

Paul Fagan@paulbfagan2

Paul Fagan(e)k Bertxiotua Paul Fagan

@billy_blog @ProfSteveKeen @wbmosler @StephanieKelton @gladkiwi @ghook @davidmcw Restoring the punt3 requires Eire’s Euro debt negotiations

Paul Fagan(e)k gehitu du,

Paul Fagan @paulbfagan

@billy_blog @ProfSteveKeen @StephanieKelton @davidmcw David: Will restoring the punt (amending Maastricht) give us more policy space(Brexit) https://twitter.com/paulbfagan/status/802913731122372608 …

2016 aza. 27 from San Bernardino, CA

Paul Fagan@paulbfagan San Bernardino, CA

@billy_blog @ProfSteveKeen @wbmosler @StephanieKelton @gladkiwi @ghook @davidmcw Germany screwed Ireland in 2008 and will repeat for Brexit!

Warren B. Mosler@wbmosler

@paulbfagan @billy_blog @ProfSteveKeen @StephanieKelton @gladkiwi @ghook @davidmcw Seen my ‘Plan B’ proposal designed first for ‘leverage’?

Paul Fagan@paulbfaganSan Bernardino, CA

@wbmosler @billy_blog @ProfSteveKeen @StephanieKelton @gladkiwi @ghook @davidmcw Warren: No! Do you have the reference? All the best. Paul

Geoff Coventry@gladkiwi

@paulbfagan http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/12/moslerpilkington-response-to-yanis-varoufakis-regarding-our-eurozone-exit-plan.html4 … @wbmosler @billy_blog @ProfSteveKeen @StephanieKelton @ghook @davidmcw

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Grezia: aspalditik ezaguna UEUko blogean (eta gehigarriak)

Greziari buruzko aspaldiko kontuak: Varoufakis eta Grexit

Bill Mitchell-ek Greziako banku gordailuen ‘migrazioaz

Warren Mosler eta Skender Fani-ren arteko elkarrizketa Greziako bankuen itxieraz (1)

Warren Mosler eta Skender Fani-ren arteko elkarrizketa Greziako bankuen itxieraz (2)

Warren Mosler eta Skender Fani-ren arteko elkarrizketa Greziako bankuen itxieraz (eta 3)


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Recently the Greek economist Yanis Varoufakis responded to the euro exit plan that we published on Naked Capitalism a few days ago. While Varoufakis was broadly supportive of the plan if an exit was absolutely necessary, he criticised some of the details therein.

Before we deal with some of the issues he raised – some of which are very important – we should first note as clearly as possible that neither one of us is advocating exit from the Eurozone for any countries therein. We both agree with Varoufakis that this would probably be a more painful option than simply staying in the currency union even with the current austerity programs in place.

In addition to this, both of us have published pieces arguing that the Eurozone will likely weather this crisis and the ECB, in some shape or form, will probably step in to backstop the debt of the peripheral governments in the coming months.

We merely published our sketch of an exit plan because both of us believe that it is always good to have a Plan B at the ready should any contingencies arise. We also think that having a viable plan in hand strengthens peripheral governments bargaining power vis-à-vis their neighbours. (…)

1. (…) First of all, there may not be any initial depreciation of the new currency if the government initiating the exit gets the exchange rate right. Since the new currency is required to pay taxes we anticipate that there should be a fairly consistent demand for it especially when it is first introduced.

Take the example of a domestic industry – say, a cement manufacturer that sells its goods to the government. It would be paid in the new currency and provided that the currency’s value remains somewhat constant the new currency can then be used to pay workers. In addition to this they will, as they do now, price their output relative to their costs so there would be no threat of bankruptcy.

Perhaps the key point here is that we do not anticipate a severe shortfall of demand for the new currency. Since it is released into the system slowly, and since it is required to extinguish tax liabilities, and finally since there will be an immediate need for cash in circulation, it should be widely sought after by economic actors.

If, on the other hand, a company has loans outstanding in euros they may need to convert some of their profits from the new currency into euros to service these obligations. Again, this has as much to do with how large the profits they accumulate are, as it does with the exchange rate between the two currencies. If their real income falls they might take a hit. But such is business.

Then there is the question of where these businesses get their inputs. If these inputs come from the domestic economy they will be able to pay for these in the new currency. If they come from abroad they will cost more money, if indeed the new currency does depreciate when introduced and even then the costs would be passed on to the consumer.

2. (…) This seems to us the most important point that Varoufakis raises. European banks do indeed have problems with both euro and dollar denominated liquidity and these problems will only worsen should there be a default and exit. Hence, we are back to the prospect of bank runs and other financial nasties.

In this case the government in question would, of course, only be able to provide liquidity in the new currency. The problems caused by this will only be as substantial as the amount by which the exchange rate between the new currency and the euro diverges. In the meantime, depositors will be exchanging euros for the new currency in order to meet ongoing payments (payrolls, taxes etc.). Once again, we underline the fact that we believe that the demand for the new currency would be quite strong and devaluation limited.

However, if a bank’s net worth (equity capital) falls below required minimums for any reason, the government will have to take it over and reorganise it. Options will then include: selling the bank as an ongoing business or selling the assets to other institutions. Both of these could lead to large losses for equity holders and, if the losses are severe enough, losses for depositors. It is not unheard of for depositors to suffer losses of the order of 25% during liquidation. We do advocate full deposit insurance be put in place to protect deposits denominated in the new currency, but deposits in euros will still be at risk and in this sense Varoufakis’ concerns have merit.

3. (…) The extent to which soya bean price rises led to the Argentine recovery is subject to much debate. Certainly, it allowed Argentineans access to foreign reserves which they could use to extinguish foreign loans, but to what extent it was the cause of the recovery is a definite grey area. We hold that the fiscal policies initiated by the Kirchner government that removed substantial fiscal drag played a significant role in the recovery.

Varoufakis, by saying: “Argentina’s recovery, and associated fiscal policies, was far less due to its renewed independence and much more related to a serendipitous rise in demand for soya beans by China”, seems to imply that the fiscal policy expansion was somehow ‘allowed’ by the rising soya bean demand and the influx of foreign currency reserves. This is not the case. When Argentina ended the dollar peg they became able to extend government spending in as large quantities as they saw fit – that is, practically speaking: reducing fiscal drag by as much as the inflationary pressures created thereby were tolerated.

After depegging, Argentina’s fiscal position could be run into deficit without risking insolvency or causing interest rates to skyrocket, both of which were the key constraints on government spending throughout the dollar peg era. In this way, the Argentinean example is perfectly viable as a comparison to a Eurozone country undertaking an exit. If the exit is undertaken and a floating exchange rate adopted, fiscal policy can be run into deficit until political limits, devaluation or inflation allows it to run into deficit no more.

4. (…) Once again, the currency may not depreciate very significantly but even if it does, as the economy is brought back to full employment and output through reduced fiscal drag and increased exports, the government is then free to address distributional issues as it sees fit. The key point here would be to highlight these issues clearly prior to the exit taking place.

5. (…) We should again reiterate that we are not actually calling for an exit. We simply believe that the governments should have a contingency plan and, most importantly, that this contingency plan would steer them away from the very real desire to peg their new currency to either the euro or to some other foreign currency in the case of default. As we wrote in the original plan, should this happen we expect another Argentinean/Russian style financial collapse within a few years of the new currency peg being adopted.

We should also point out that having a viable exit plan and having this exit plan and its possible results openly talked about gives the peripheral countries more bargaining power vis-à-vis their austerity loving neighbours. At the moment we should be focused on drafting any sort of national strategy that can give power back to sovereigns vis-à-vis the Eurozone. (In this, we know that Varoufakis sympathises as he has recently shown interest in our jobs program funded by tax-backed bonds which one of the authors [Pilkington] is currently trying to flog in Ireland).

We also think that it is unlikely that an exit will actually occur. We both think that the ECB will almost undoubtedly step in to backstop the unruly debt burdens of the periphery. However, this will probably mean that the periphery will be kept on ‘life support’ while austerity continues to be imposed upon it. Once again, it is imperative that countries within the periphery have as many bargaining chips as possible in their negotiations with their fellow Europeans.

Lastly, we should note that, should a nation exit the Eurozone in the manner we have outlined, a worldwide deflationary collapse might actually work to their advantage. Why? Because with their new currency they could undertake an Argentinean-style jobs guarantee program which would maintain full employment domestically while real terms of trade shifted dramatically in their favour as worldwide prices fell. Or, to put it another way: peripheral countries like Ireland would no longer have to rely on export-oriented growth in a world plagued by massive deflationary contraction. Instead they could run fiscal deficits to maintain full employment and high living standards while having little concern for the potential devaluation of the new currency caused thereby because worldwide prices would be falling at the same time.”

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