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self-determination, in violation of the UN Charter – amounting to aggression.

The 191 members of the UN who still have an interest in protecting themselves from this madness, better recover from their paralysis and stand united against this imperialist lawlessness.

PS: And in any case, this plan won’t work. How do I know? 76 years of failed attempts by Israel, including 16 months of genocidal assault. Indigenous people do not leave their land.

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“The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it, too.”

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Francesca Albanese: Keir Starmer must be investigated over Gaza genocide

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fsEHacDBC4)

How complicit is Britain in the Gaza genocide? Could British ministers and military officials end up at the International Criminal Court?

One of the world’s leading human rights lawyers, Francesca Albanese – who is also the UN’s Special Rapporteur on Palestine – spoke to Declassified co-founder Mark Curtis about Britain’s role in the Gaza genocide.

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it was clear that Israel was committing

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war crimes I’ve heard UK politicians

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denying that and to an extent even

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justifying this they should be

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investigated their responsibility should

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be investigated by UK authorities how

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complicit is Britain in gaza’s genocide

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could British ministers and military

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officials end up at the international

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criminal court joining me to answer

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these questions is one of the world’s

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leading human rights lawyers Franchesca

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albanesi who is also the UN special raor

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on Palestine thank you Mark Franchesca

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really thank you very much can I come on

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to ask you about UK policy towards

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towards Israel when you look at British

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policy British government uh stances

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towards Israel during the destruction of

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Gaza over the last 15 months how how

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would you characterize that I believe

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that the the UK has violated its

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obligations under international law have

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concluded that there were reasonable

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grounds to to believe that Israel had

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committed acts of genocide already one

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year ago and my assessment has become uh

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Stronger uh more supported by evidence

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more endorsed by many other reputable

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actors including Israeli Israeli

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historians themselves Amnesty

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International and others I do not expect

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necessarily the uh the UK government to

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embrace my findings however because last

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year in January uh the icj concluded

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that there was a plausible risk that the

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rights of the Palestinians protected

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under the genocide convention were being

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violated then this triggered an

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obligation the obligation of the UK to

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make sure that that they to took all the

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necessary measures to prevent genocide

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from happening the extent of the UK

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uh obligation in this respect is linked

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to the degree of influence that the the

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UK has over Israel and the UK is a close

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partner of Israel it has influence not

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only that but it the UK has also

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continued to provide political support

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military support thank to you we know

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that there has been uh also military

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cooperation not necessarily as far as I

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understand it’s not proven that it has

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been for the conduct of hostilities but

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there has been military cooperation

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between the UK uh Army and the Israeli

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Army this is in violation of the UK

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obligations the UR and the facto it’s

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aiding and assisting the Israel in the

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commission of a

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serious uh or a serious of international

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wrongdoing hence it should should be

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held accountable and and when you talk

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there about aiding and abetting Israel

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um we’ve done a lot of work on the

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various aspects of military cooperation

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that you’re talking about such as the

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surveillance flights that the Royal Air

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Force has been conducting over Gaza in

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Aid of Israeli intelligence the army

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training that the UK has been providing

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to uh to Israel in the UK the arms

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exports and so on and the UK still

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regards Israel as a prominent defense

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partner you think that makes the UK a

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participant in the destruction of Gaza

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in in the genocide surely surely it the

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UK has done nothing to protect to

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prevent the destruction of Gaza

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militarily it has continued to supply

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Israel in violations of its obligations

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and again the it’s a the UK has

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incredible lawyers

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and I cannot believe I cannot believe

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that the government was not advised on

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what it was doing it was clear that

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Israel was violating again let aside the

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genocide assessment but it was clear

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that Israel was committing war crimes

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and crimes against humanity I’ve heard

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UK politicians denying that and to an

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extent even justifying this therefore

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they should they should be investigated

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their responsibility should be

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investigated by UK author

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authorities uh and the extent to which

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this might lead to responsibility I

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cannot establish right now because again

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there should be an investigation looking

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at their level of knowledge their level

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um what they have authorized as people

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because there are there are there is

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inter individual liability there’s

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criminal liability for complicity with

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International crimes there so and it’s

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not a joke I mean it seems to me Mark

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that in general Western politicians have

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taken the violation of international law

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lihe

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heartedly and they are very wrong so now

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it’s time for them to face the

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consequences I wanted to ask you about

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something that happened last week

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because last week Declassified got a tip

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off that an Israeli General um was

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visiting London and um we filmed him on

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camera visiting London right in the

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center of the the

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capital general b

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what did you discuss with the m are you

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worried about the IC investigating you

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for war crimes are you a war criminal

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General and subsequently found out that

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he was having meetings with the ministry

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of Defense the foreign office the

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cabinet office this was a very senior

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Israeli general actually the the the

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third highest ranking general in the

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Israeli Defense Forces someone that’s

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been intimately involved in Israeli

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military operations over the last uh 50

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months um I wanted to ask what your

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reaction was to this Israeli General

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suddenly appearing on the Streets of

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London and having these high level

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meetings with British officials the

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Western system has huge ties with Israel

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and Israel there is no doubt is

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quintessentially a military State a

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militarized a military state that has

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been

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providing uh advised intelligence

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Services uh

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Technologies weapons tested on the

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Palestinians to many states so are we

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surprised to see um Israeli military

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high ranking

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officials uh walking freely in the

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Streets of London or Rome it’s as

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shocking as is is not surprising and

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it’s not even surprising the ubr of uh

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of these people thinking that they can

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they can continue enjoying impunity it’s

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up to us ordinary citizens and people of

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uh of with solid principles and Trust in

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international legal

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system uh to make it uh enforced

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enforcable and

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enforced and and I mean and really they

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should be arrested shouldn’t they I mean

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senior military figures coming to a

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Western Country isn’t it the obligation

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Assumption of Innocence uh it’s to be

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enjoyed by everyone but there should be

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an investigation the point is that we

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come from 50 15 months of brutal

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assaults that has killed nearly 50,000

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people as certain by sniper fire or or

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bombs in Gaza so a high ranking official

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in the military in the Israeli military

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chances are that he has contributed to

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take decisions that have led to the

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commission of crimes so of again the

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fact that this gentleman was walking

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freely in the street of London

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undisturbed until someone someone from

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from your crowd joined him and started

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asking questions shows the level of of

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safety that they have always enjoyed and

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even now they they think that there is

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nothing they need to respond to can I

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ask you a specific question about the

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surveillance flights that uh we we we

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both mentioned earlier that the RAF has

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been conducting from Cyprus

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um over over Gaza uh which the British

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government have said is in support of

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the location of the hostages but which

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there have been concerns that the

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purpose of those flights could actually

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be wider and could in some way have been

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aiding Israeli military

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operations but since the ceasefire

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started those flights have continued I

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mean we’ve found evidence that at least

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two RAF flights have been

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surveilling territory near Gaza um do

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you consider that a breach of the

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ceasefire there is a clear obligation

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not to Aid and assist a state in the

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commission of crime so if it’s proven

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that those flights have served the

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purposes others that have led to the

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commission of crimes there might be a

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responsibility Co responsibility of

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British authorities see one of our

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conerns is who who is actually going to

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do those investigations because if the

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domestic authorities in the UK are not

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investigating the ministry of Defense uh

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and are not requiring you know the

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defense minister to give evidence in

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Parliament or to comply with any

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investigations how how are we ever going

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to find out what what exactly their

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relationship to the Israelis is the

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reason why many politicians do not

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engage with the with the possibility

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that Israel has committed crimes is

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because they are telling themselves a

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lie a lie that make that gives them the

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impression or giving their audiences the

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impression that they’re fine there is

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nothing wrong but it’s unbelievable of

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course they know that there is something

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wrong of course they know that starving

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people is a crime of course they know

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that bombing hospitals is a crime and on

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a systematic and widespread scale as

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Israel has done without providing

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evidence because even the fact that I’ll

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shift was the headquarter of of Hamas

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how much has it been sold on Western

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media by Western politicians where is

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the evidence they can continue to lie

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but they cannot hide from Justice this

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is why I know it

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seems a long shot but it is to be

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pursued so this is why I think you know

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eventually there is a accountability in

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court but there is also accountability

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before the people and the backlash that

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the politicians who have been partaking

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in international crimes can face in a

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country like the UK where it seems to me

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from outside that the people in the

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street ordinary citizens and are very

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sympathetic and they’re very concerned

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with what’s happening in Palestine or

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Israel Palestine and therefore will not

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let it go so there there will be other

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forms of accountability if Justice

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doesn’t kick in immediately and I wanted

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to ask you a question about uh the UK

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foreign secretary David Lamy because

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you’ve you’ve called David Lamy on on

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several occasions a a genocide denier

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quite properly legal terms that must be

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determined by International

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courts the way that they are used

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now undermines the

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seriousness of that term I wonder what

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you think the consequences for him as a

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minister as the foreign secretary should

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be um for being a a denier of genocide I

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find it interesting that he has really

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dismissed the proofs the evidence why

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Israel has committed genocide I do

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understand why he has done it uh why he

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might have done it to deflect

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responsibility both of Israel and

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possibly the the UK government but he as

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a foreign minister he’s obliged to sit

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down and respond why does he think that

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my arguments my legal assessment the

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assessment of amnesty Internationals and

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now dozens organizations and Israeli

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historians how what are the arguments

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that he uses to

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dismiss what we have brought to the for

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as evidence so very specific questions

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needs to be asked how it’s possible that

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Israel has uh hit over 200 times

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humanitarian zones how it’s possible

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that Israel you have considered

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legitimate the evacuation of 1.1 million

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people under the threat that they would

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be considered an affiliate with

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terrorism how does he justify how does

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he comment on the Amal language that has

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been used and used and relaunched by

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Israeli political leaders and Soldiers

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on the ground you must remember what

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Amal has done to you says our Holy Bible

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and we do remember and we are fighting

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our brave troops and combatants who are

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now in Gaza does he understand what AM

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is in the Israeli society which is a

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genocidal call I’m not interested in D

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Lamb’s opinion per se he’s a foreign

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minister therefore he needs to respond

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in an articulated why on very specific

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questions how does it ISM the claims the

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that Israel has committed acts of

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genocide and if not how does he qualify

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what Israel has committed war crimes so

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how does it justify in the face of the

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commission of war crimes the UK

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continues support to the state of Israel

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these are the very specific questions

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that the the the David Lamy needs to be

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asked and needs to answer one final

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question Franchesca if I may um about

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international law I was wondering what

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you think the consequences will be for

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the

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international legal system going forward

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when States can’t even bring themselves

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to even identify violations of

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international law in the context of a

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genocide I mean what what does that mean

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for the future of protecting

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international law the next time a state

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conducts an aggression against another

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state or a set of people has the has the

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International System been set up to fail

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yes yes and it’s already failing because

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look look at what has happened to the

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civilian population in

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Lebanon and uh it’s not even I can’t

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even use the past tense because Israel

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has resumed the bombardment of Southern

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Lebanon I said one year ago Israel has

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definitely created or has introduced us

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brutally violently to a world without

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civilians where everything is skill

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everything is targetable everyone is

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skillable uh everything is destroyed

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able and without evidence without

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justification without respect for the

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principle of Distinction

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proportionalities precautions which are

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the basic tendance of modern uh post

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World War II international law the

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international law applicable to our

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armed conflict Israel and the United

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States or with the support of the United

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States with the cover of the United

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States has been attacking other Arab

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countries and capitals with impunity the

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same impunity they have enjoyed vo in in

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slaughtering Palestinians in imposing an

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aparti regime over the Palestinians the

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same impunity they are enjoying as they

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attack at the countries so international

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law is is proving more and more

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ineffective by the day and this is a

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situation in which everyone loses

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because we are embracing or we have

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entered a lawless world and especially

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for us in the west it’s going to bring

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incredibly negative consequences because

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we are those who have benefited the most

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from the

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international um legal system that was

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uh uh created in the aftermath of the

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second world war so we should be more

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careful and we are not thank you very

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much Franchesca for talking to me

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thank you Francesca I Michelle rasos

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from the executive intelligence review

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in the United States uh and I have two

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questions the first is I have a question

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about implementing an aasis plan for

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peace through Economic Development and

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connecting a political solution to an

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economic solution because my magazine

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back and its uh founding editor uh

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Lyndon Lar back in

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1975 came out with an oasis plan for

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cooperation between an independent

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Palestine Israel the regional countries

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and now also possibly including the

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Chinese for water

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desalinization new uh water transfer

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canals and basic modern infrastructure

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so do you think that something like this

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could help break this cycle of violence

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and hate by creating a future vision of

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cooperation uh for the benefit of

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everyone which could help pave a path

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from genocide uh to peace and give

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people hope because you said in a recent

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interview that

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uh what we do for Palestine is a test

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for Humanity of of what we want to do

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next so could you comment on the need

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for international coroporation for

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reconstruction and economic development

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including something like an oasis plan

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to ensure a decent future for

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Palestinians then I I have a second

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question if it’s

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possible uh want to have a couple or

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yeah I can take a couple of questions

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and let have the other one okay yeah the

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other question is of course uh what do

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you say to president Trump’s statement

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yesterday that uh the United States

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should take over Gaza script and uh

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throw out all the

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Palestinians I was waiting for a

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discretion

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um

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so before being the special repor on the

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occupied Palestinian territory I’ve uh

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devoted a decent number of years on to

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the question of Palestine as

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um uh as a un official first and then as

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a scholar and I know the question of

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Palestine through the perspective and

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through the story the experience of its

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people Palestinian refugees in fact we

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shouldn’t call them Palestinian refugees

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we should call the Palestinians nakaba

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survivors because this gives the I mean

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for the Palestinians the the fact of

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being a refugee is not just being um uh

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having the the like it’s not just a

2:55

matter of legal status it’s a matter of

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having been deprived of a homeless that

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as Edward used to say existed one

3:02

existed one day and is no

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more um and so as such I can tell you

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for decades for decades the

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International Community has treated the

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question of Palestine as something that

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could be managed in

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perpetuity uh through means of

3:23

development uh economic incentives and

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uh encouraging growth whatever it means

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um and or managing it as a humanitarian

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humanitarian

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crisis and frankly after let’s say at

3:41

least the 56 57 in fact it’s 76 years it

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doesn’t work and you know why because of

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course Economic Development must happen

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of course cooperation is uh is necessary

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but not at the expense of fundamental

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rights and freedoms which is what

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Israel um the United States more openly

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than ever and others seem to Palestine

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seems to expect that the Palestinians

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will accept like all indigenous people

4:13

in the world the Palestinian Will Never

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Surrender they will they will fight and

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they will resist I mean when I say fight

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I do not mean armed resistance they will

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fight for recognition of their rights

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and their and their dignity and so no no

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e the the short answer is no economic

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peace through economic development is uh

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is uh expectation of surrender and it

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will not work because everyone has the

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right has the right to be free and to

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again self-determination as a people

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this is a collective right question was

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including of

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of a um a sovereign Palestine well but

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is not what has been talked I mean it’s

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the argument of sovereignity is used as

5:05

a rhetorical one I mean just to kick the

5:08

C in the air because then when it comes

5:10

to you know the only thing that is to be

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done to have a pal to allow a

5:14

Palestinian state is not to fund excuse

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me Ambassador it’s not to fund the

5:18

Palestinian Authority it’s not to tell

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the Palestinian Authority how to reform

5:22

this is not of our business we don’t go

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to other countries telling them we

5:26

should probably in some countries tell

5:27

them tell people advise people whom to

5:30

elect you’re us from the US right and uh

5:35

and we don’t do so the same thing

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applies to the Palestinians I mean the

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only thing we need to do to ensure that

5:41

the International Community needs to do

5:42

to ensure a Palestinian state is to make

5:44

sure that Israel withd draws troops

5:47

settlements controls over resources as

5:49

simple as that there is no other way

5:51

around the rest

5:53

isocracy and frankly the world has had

5:56

enough of it so no it’s not going to

5:58

happen and so the the next point you are

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raising is is economic development going

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to break the cycle of violence no no I

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mean and I I’m 100 if there is one thing

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that I’m 100% sure of the answer is no

6:15

and this is I mean what happened in the

6:18

last 15 months what happened 15 months

6:21

ago and what has happened over and over

6:23

the violence in in Palestine and let’s

6:25

be very very

6:28

blunt pales iians as I mean they are not

6:32

violent people they are people who want

6:34

to live in Peace and Freedom and the

6:37

fact that they might have resorted to

6:40

violence at various points and they

6:42

might have committed crimes against the

6:43

Israelis during 70 six years of of

6:48

dispossession and

6:49

displacement is is is to be read as

6:53

mirroring the violence they have been

6:56

subject to so the only way to stop this

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of violence is to give peace a chance

7:03

through Freedom through full recognition

7:05

of Freedom um and this is not going to

7:08

bring to a decent future for the

7:10

Palestinians only for the Palestinians

7:13

and Israelis I always have tried to have

7:15

this inclusive language because we there

7:19

are few Israelis who are fighting

7:23

against genocide against occupation and

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against apartheid and they should not be

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invisibilized they are an important

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actor in the

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process president Trump oh where to

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start the short the short answer to your

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question is what he proposes is after

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nonsense this what after nonsense is

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nonsense and it’s

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unlawful what he proposes it’s I mean

7:53

people talk of ethnic cleansing no it’s

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worse it’s worse it’s Force displacement

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is inciting to commit Force displacement

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which is an international crime Force

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displacement and further

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dispossession and in the in the context

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of a

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genocide I mean it will strengthen the

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complicity in the crimes that Israel has

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been committing over the past um 15

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months and before uh and uh you know

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it’s

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unlawful immoral and IR responsible it’s

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completely responsible because it will

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make the Regional Crisis even worse and

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I truly hope that people will stay calm

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will not panic and will remember that

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the International Community is made of

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193 States and this is the time to give

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the US what it has been looking for

8:52

isolation and and but there should this

8:55

is the opportunity to revive or to

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to give meaning to cooperation premised

9:03

upon respect of basic rules like

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international law is there for a reason

9:09

and look as there is the he I don’t know

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if you have followed the the initiative

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launched recently by n nine countries in

9:16

the ha the heg group a number of states

9:19

who have committed to implement basic

9:24

measures to ensure accountability and

9:28

end of impunity in the occupied

9:30

Palestinian territory this is a model

9:32

that others should should follow and I

9:34

truly hope that Denmark who has been

9:36

very principled he principled on other

9:39

matters and other re on other regions of

9:41

the world joins the group and the

9:43

initiative

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We Basques do need a real Basque independent State in the Western Pyrenees, just a democratic lay or secular state, with all the formal characteristics of any independent State: Central Bank, Treasury, proper currency, out of the European Distopia and faraway from NAT0, maybe being a BRICS partner…

Ikus Euskal Herriaren independentzia eta Mikel Torka

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MMT: Modern Monetary Theory

Understanding how money works so that we can address climate change easily and prosperously plus

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