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To discuss Israel’s holocaust in Gaza, Rania Khalek was joined by journalist Abby Martin, creator and host of ‪@EmpireFiles

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if you’re an Israeli Citizen and you’re living in Israel 20 miles away from a concentration camp if I was living 10

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miles away from ashz like I I wouldn’t be able to be there right so you have to

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grow up from Cradle to grave hating Muslims hating Palestinians with such a

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deep seated hatred that this is Justified that it’s Justified to throw

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them in a cage and deprive them of Clean Water you have to think they’re barbarians and you have to think that

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they’re animals and the leftists in Israel I mean if you want to call yourself a leftist I think that a lot of

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people who are in the labor party and a lot of people who call themselves leftists still are fascists right the

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most left-wing Israeli is a right-wing American and that’s not saying much considering the political Spectrum in

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this country but a lot of left-wing Israelis a lot of anti-zionist Israelis who are actual leftists who disagree

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with these horrible policies have fled because a lot of them can why would you want to live in a fascist Society I

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wouldn’t want to live in Berlin in 1930 I just wouldn’t right I would get the

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[ __ ] out of there hello everyone I’m R cik and this

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is dispatches every day we watch Western officials justify Israel’s live streamed

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high-tech Slaughter of Palestinians in their homes at schools in hospitals in

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Refugee tents while Israeli Society becomes increasingly unhinged Ed and

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genocidal after watching 8 months of Israeli genocide against Palestinians in

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Gaza many are left wondering if the West has any Threshold at all or if they’re

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willing to let an Israel high on hate go all the way meanwhile Israel’s

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supporters continue to insist that we condemn Palestinians for fighting for

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their survival against a state that seeks to exterminate them joining me to

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discuss this and more is Abby Martin Creator and host of Empire files but

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before we jump into it this is just part of this episode the full episode is available for breakthrough news members

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only you can become a member at patreon.com breakthrough news and as

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always be sure to hit the Subscribe button and the Bell so you get a notification whenever we post new content and if you appreciate this show

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you can also donate Below on YouTube Abby welcome back to the show

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thank you so much for having me R it’s great to be back well it’s great to have you back on and you know I had you on

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dispatches back in October uh it was really like soon into this and I think

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what’s interesting about that is at the time we had so much to talk about because Israel had already started

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bombing hospitals so I think we spent a quite a bit of time talking about bombing the bombing of hospitals the

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fact that um there was women who were being having C-sections done without any

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anesthesia um there was like babies being starved in incubators and that was just a few weeks in right that wasn’t

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even a month in and now we’re almost I mean by the time this comes out it’ll probably be eight months we’re just about eight months into this genocide

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which is crazy to think it’s gone on this long and now there’s like no hospitals left in Gaza um I mean babies

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have the the number of children who’ve died is like around the 15,000 Mark but you know we don’t even really know how

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many people have died at this point they keep just saying 30 5,000 40,000 but it’s kind of been at that number for a

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while because gaz’s authorities don’t really have the capacity to count the dead anymore um it’s just been an

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endless horror show so I guess I wanted to maybe start off by asking you before we get into some other things you know

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what are your thoughts now eight months into this did you expect it to go on this long are you surprised by what

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we’ve essentially watched was it which is this like live this live stream Slaughter with seemingly no end in

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sight my God it’s so surreal to think that it’s been eight months R and how much had already happened like you just

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outlined uh you know I think it’s been really horrifying

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obviously it’s been the worst thing I’ve ever seen or read about ever I think it’s an unparalleled atrocity in history and not

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just in modern history I mean I I just can’t match anything to this because when you couple that medieval

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barbaric tactics on the ground with the high technology that’s unmatched obviously and the calculated measures to

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actually have high technology specifically designed to kill a group of

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people that are trapped in a prison it’s the only place in the world that you cannot flee even by boat otherwise you

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will be shot out of the water by Israeli warships I mean we’ve we’ve seen that obviously years prior to even what

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happened on October 7th you just simply can’t fish you know freely without being

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killed so um the fact that you know Egypt has closed off its borders and is charging people exorbitant rates to just

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leave flee a genocide I mean you you couple all these things together and it really is incomprehensible that this is

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where we’re at eight months in like you said the death toll has been at 35,000

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for months um I think that we’re looking at a death toll that’s several times

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higher um if you really want to just take take stock at you know how long can

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humans go without water or food I mean it really is something out of uh a James

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Cameron movie it’s like that these quadcopter drones killing people luring people out of tents with the sounds of

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crying children the levels of depravity um I think are unmatched too and the

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sheer documentation on both sides too I think is something that that that’s completely unparalleled I mean just the

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the amount of documentation from Palestinians documenting their own storytelling of of their tragedy as well

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as just Israelis who are their committing the heinous crimes documenting themselves doing it and then

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taunting the viewers saying yeah just try to bring me to the heg I mean it’s it’s taken such an emotional

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beating I think on all of us who are have a conscience in the world you know how many dead kids can you see ripped

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apart how many headless children how many corpses can you see and like really

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just move on with your day and continue to go through the monotony of your daily life when you see these whes and you

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just know that they’re right there if you choose to turn on your device to really see just a window into Gaza um

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and I I don’t want to be numb to that I don’t ever want to be numb to the

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reality that’s happening on the other side of the world especially when I’m complicit as an American citizen when my

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government is sponsoring this R so um you know I H obviously we can’t just

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stay invested and present day in and day out like the Palestinians have to we

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have to take a step back and we have to do things to to continue with our jobs and our lives and and being caretakers

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to our children but man it’s it’s taken a beating and an emotional toll I think on everyone

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because the helplessness that you feel the helplessness that you feel and the lack of agency that you feel to be able

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to do anything about it and then when you also just take take in the fact that the the world

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has failed so abysmally that the world collectively has let this happen I don’t

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know if there’s any going back I I don’t know how we can continue as an International Community you know I mean

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I know the notion of a rules based order has always been a joke but I just don’t know where we go from here especially if

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there’s no accountability for Israel in the US I mean I know that Israel uh I me know in the wake of the war on terror

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obviously the US has enjoyed total impunity for all of its crimes and I think that this is a net benefit for

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them to just be able to up the Annie to such an extreme degree that anything

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goes now but what world does that leave us with and that’s a very scary

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devastating notion as we continue to see the ongoing ethnic cleansing before our eyes I mean it’s not over yet R and we

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know that they’re not going to stop until they complete the project yeah I I

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agree wholeheartedly with everything you said and I think a lot of people can relate because we’re all just feeling

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completely drained and of course we’re just watching it so it’s like I can’t even imagine how people who’ve been

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living through this for eight month months are getting by I’m sure it’s like at this point you can see the exhaustion

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in their faces like I remember watching videos from October November December and obviously like it’s it’s a horror

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show right you see dismembered bodies people carrying their kids body parts in bags and just crying and devastated and

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horror after horror and now it’s been eight months of that on top of the constant horror the constant Slaughter

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that is also now happening to people who haven’t been eating properly who are constantly on the search for clean water

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to drink who’ve already lost like dozens of members of their family it’s gotten to a point where you start to think to

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yourself and it’s a horrible thought but like you feel you feel relieved for the people who were killed in October

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November December because they didn’t have to endure eight months of this before being killed like that’s how bad

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it is in Gaza where that’s at least where my mind goes because I’m just thinking like I think of Riff out all year and I’m just like God like you know

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he’s gone and it was horri but at least he didn’t have to go through all of this but no one should have to go through all

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of this like it’s anyways I think a lot of our minds have gone into kind of dark places like that but in the midst of all

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this there’s also been um a lot of content that’s gone viral and some of

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that Viral content has been on a show that both you and I have been on you’ve actually been on it twice now since October 7th and that is Pier Piers

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Morgan show Piers uncensored I think it’s called um and you know you went on

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it first a few months back and you were debating essentially peers in this girl Emily shider who I also had to deal with

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as well who’s this like American woman who made Aliah to Israel after college

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and is now like constantly auditioning to be an Israeli spokesperson um but more recently and

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you you killed that interview and I’m sure she doesn’t work for Israel she doesn’t work for Israel she’s just an

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unpaid volunteer working with the idea who wears a little who wears a little Israel America flag pin on her lapel

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uh anyways so um but you know more recently you did this interview with this very interesting Horrible character

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and before I play the clip I went to play from this interview can you tell our audience who this guy is what’s his

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deal um and yeah just like set it up set it up for us before we’re we see what we’re about to watch yeah so this guy um

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this guy’s named massab Yousef he is the son of the co-founder of Hamas he has

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basically just made a very Luc of career um throwing Palestinians under the bus

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it’s funny because when you look at his Wikipedia it says he’s Palestinian origin but he will denounce his Heritage and nationality and say no not only is

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he not Palestinian but he’s not but Palestine doesn’t exist in general so this guy’s story is that he was born

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into Hamas obviously you know born in in the West Bank actually and then joined

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Hamas while simultaneously working for Israeli intelligence so um Shin Bet for

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for years and years and years which is in there the Israeli Security Agency where he was uh a double agent um so he

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claims that he was feeding Israel intelligence to save lives right he claims that he was preventing suicide

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bombings but what he was really doing was hunting down mercilessly um militants and resistance

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Fighters that were trying to uh fight their oppression I don’t believe anyone who is a double agent or an Israeli spy

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so I don’t I don’t believe this guy um massab when he says that he was saving lives that’s what every single

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intelligence Officer says that’s what every CIA agent says oh no no no what we do is just it’s all to save lives it’s

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all for the matter of National Security but I think that what this is really about for this guy is about tamping down

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on all factions of Palestinian life and preventing um the agency of all Palestinians from being able to resist

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their oppression whatsoever and what’s amazing about this guy R is that he’s trotted out there by the pro-israel side

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because he is their token Arab um yeah there’s token Arabs in the knesset and that’s what Israelis love to point to to

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be like no we’re not an ethnos State look we have Israeli Arabs too that that do this and that but this guy is really

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their bread and butter because this guy’s out there saying the most inflammatory rhetoric about Palestine

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and revising history giving this complete ahistorical framework about 1967 war the Noca and the current

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military occupation and Siege of Gaza he basically just pretends that none of them exist that the nakba was just the

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Palestinians wanting to kill Jews and they all just voluntarily left 1967 war was just Palestinians wanting to kill

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Jews and look uh in war there’s conquest and you take land and that land is yours even though annexing land is illegal um

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and then he just says today there’s no occupation or Siege of Gaza and there’s no Palestine at all so it’s like how do

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you how do you really like get on a Level Playing Field with that guy but what’s even more amazing ra is that this

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guy um says all Muslims are essentially violent and need to be responded to with

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force and so the fact that is really official bring this guy out there

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because they love that this guy says what he says about Muslims so they don’t

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have to right right so they love this guy because he’s their token Arab and he’s like look like no no no don’t take it from me take it from what this guy

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says but when this guy’s saying 1.6 million I’m sorry when this guy’s saying 1.6 billion Muslim lives are worth less

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than a single cow um that’s what is really think they just love that this guy says it instead of them yeah yeah

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yeah he’s completely insane like I I don’t like anybody who hasn’t seen this um it’s like it’s like you can’t even

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Che you got to see this guy he’s insane his eyes are crazy what he says to is crazy but you’re absolutely right like

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they Trot him out because he does say what they can’t say he’s so freaking unhinged so I’m gonna play this clip

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from your from your episode your debate with him where you just completely like slaughtered him and then we can uh

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discuss okay you know m mosab is the Palestinian who hates Palestinians he’s he’s developed a lucrative career being

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able to lie about basic facts about this conflict he is actually credited to jailing the Palestinian Mandela Marwan

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barg goodi this is a guy who he put in prison 20 years ago who was marching side by side with Israeli Peace

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activists denouncing Hamas killing civilians Marmon bargi is the most popular unifying figure in Palestinian

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Society he would resoundingly win in an election against Hamas so again I mean when we’re looking at someone who’s

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worked for Israeli intelligence who spouts the same rhetoric as Israelis who say Hamas but what they really mean is

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all Palestinians I mean it’s really hard to debate someone on the fundamental reality and the principles of you know

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the facts of this conflict well you know this is hold on I want everybody I want everybody to like remember how calm and

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collected and smart Abby sounds and like just prepare I can’t prepare you for

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what you’re about to hear I just needed to make a note of that because this is quite the Jos wants me to apologize for

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saving human life here he goes here he goes ready all

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right Q crazy man so Abby today want me for some reason to apologize for saving

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human life because my Truth uh challenges her convenient

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truth um Abby does not have the authority she’s just a self-appointed

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lowgrade journalist how can you be a journalist and you call this a genocide

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ethnic cleansing and she just keep repeating ethnic cleansing genocide colonialism Etc none of it is real

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including Palestine it’s only in your head none of it is exist you guys

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Palestine is in your head it’s in your head you it doesn’t actually exist according to this guy it’s it just gets

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crazier sorry I that it’s in your head stal Palestine was never born how can

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you free it was never there it’s just a colonial entity and some people choose to make it

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into a national identity and this parrot has been just repeating Hamas propaganda

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Maran beruti that she’s talking about him she never met him I knew Marana he’s in jail you put him there he’s a

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criminal he killed five people he has blood on his hands he cheated on his

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wife he has a secret that he never revealed it to the public of course I can’t criticize and I can’t criticize

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all the criminals that I know personally she’s been there only for a visit and

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maybe she had some falafil sandwich you know and she really was blown away of the Palestinian experience there is no

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such a thing as Palestine it’s about time to retire find a different job you’re not a journalist you don’t

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qualify even to be a mother I mean wow this guy straight up

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was like you don’t even get to be a mother or you don’t even call like like he I was just like I was blow and like

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the rest of his chatter is like that it’s completely insane but please go ahead Abby after like like first of all

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tell me what it was like probably because I I imagine the like preparing for that after you’d already been on before where you were being basically

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like interrogated by Piers you probably expected to have to go up against both of them but Piers kind of took a step

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back and actually after that he went wow because he was like he was like I can’t

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great disc do have a response it’s like wow what are you gonna say to that it’s like

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well yeah yeah um I mean okay so first of all this the first time I went on P

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Piers Morgan just like you R everything was kind of sidelined from that do you

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condemn Hamas question that that we were brow beaten with for several minutes I mean for me it was literally 10 minutes

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of a 35 minute segment and I just couldn’t believe it I was like oh my God like is this really happening are you

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still going to continue to try to ask me this so the second time I was asked to come on I I knew it was going to be like

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toe-to-toe with this guy and I just thought like oh my God this is a complete setup like I refuse to condemn

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Hamas and so now they’re going to ask me to come on to go toe-to-toe with the the son of the co-founder of Hamas so that I

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can refuse to condemn Hamas to this guy and then be told like oh like you think you’re legitimate like how could you do

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that to this guy this guy has all like the authority on Hamas so I was just like oh my God this is so weird but I’m

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GNA I’m going to Stand My Ground and then I kind of looked at like more into who this guy was and I realized that he was a complete out andout lunatic I mean

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what’s crazy about him R is that he is paraded around by people like Jordan

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Peterson Dave Rubin you know all of the the the figures on in the right wing that are pro-israel they love to trot

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this guy out because it legitimizes them and and legitimizes their islamophobia really because it’s just like this guy

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will denounce and throw all Muslims on the bus and he’s the Tok Arab that they can use to do that it’s like the Candace Owens going and speaking to anti-black

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lives matter people it’s very simple when you look at it that way but what’s amazing about massab too is that he’s

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also legitimized by people like Jake Tapper right I mean he’s on

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CNN talking about his his plight and his story and you know coming from Hamas and

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how he knows Hamas and and how he can really like talk about what how Hamas needs to be eradicated because he comes

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from he comes from Hamas and and there’s jig Tapper just nodding along I mean it’s so so so crazy and then he’s on Dr

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Phil Right facing down these Palestinian women I mean so he’s really all over the

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place he isn’t just some Fringe figure that’s brought on Piers Morgan because Pi Piers Morgan loves these kind of like

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Mory Povich style like showdowns no he is out there as the token Palestinian to

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throw Hamas out of the bus so you know but then I saw him debate Mark Lamont Hill and he was kind of like not as as

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insane sounding as he usually is and I was like okay this is going to be really interesting but then you know you see his videos he

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puts himself out there basically just denouncing all Muslims saying you know we should use Force against them we should use violence against them they’re

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all extremists essentially they’re all terrorists so it’s just like this guy’s completely nuts and so I just decided to

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take that opportunity to completely discredit him and strip him down to what he really is which is an Israeli spy who

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cannot be taken seriously because he’s completely not credible as a person he would be much more interesting if he was

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you know admitted like if he talked about how maybe Israel was doing

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horrible things to Palestinians or did employ barbaric policies or at least

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illegal policies like in the occupation of the West Bank but he just denies the existence of these things so it’s like

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I’m sorry I can’t have a debate with you dude and then the Marwan mudi thing was so funny too because it’s like he’s

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basically just putting out a diss track about this guy and the reason I wanted to bring up this gu because I wanted to show it’s not about Hamas dude right

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it’s about fata it doesn’t matter who we’re talking about it’s about all

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factions of Palestinian society and look Maran barudi 20 years ago he was arrested he was actually you know during

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the oso Accords he was out there Marching for peace he was denouncing hamas’s suicide attacks suicide bombings

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but he also embraced resistance and armed resistance against the occupying

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forces and he encouraged uh fata to actually do that and and followers of fata to do that so that’s why you know

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he’s he’s wrapped up into this whole thing and put in prison too because he was actually trying to voice what is

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internationally recognized as Palestinians right for resistance right armed resistance against their

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colonizers so it’s just incredible I mean looking back at this interview and just thinking wow and what’s even more

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amazing ra is that when this came out all of the pro-israel side were cutting that clip and being like look at how

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much he just trounced Abby look he just completely schooled her and they just kept showing it as if it was some

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Victory and it’s like this guy is a lunatic dude like there’s plenty of X IDF soldiers that are highly intelligent

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highly compassionate very caring people who are genuine who you can go out there and and have a conversation with that

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that’s Nuance but this guy is the only like Palestinian that they could find to

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throw the entire people on the bus and it really says a lot about Israeli Society I think that this is their guy

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yeah I think that’s definitely right because also when it comes to this you

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make a you make a really good point about how it’s about all Palestinian factions not just Hamas and it’s when it comes to the Israelis it’s about the

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only Palestinians they can deal with are those that are willing to completely submit so and and even that’s not always

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Enough by the way I mean look how they like want to defund the Palestinian Authority which is like basically like

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created by the Americans to collaborate with the Israelis to like police

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Palestinians to make sure there’s no resistance to Israeli colonization and even the Palestinian Authority like is

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not submissive enough for Israeli Society now so like all they can go with

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is people like this guy and it is crazy that he has such a mainstream platform I didn’t realize he’d been on Jake tap I

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mean screw Jake Tapper he sucks but I I mean he is Miss CNN a lot of people watch CNN so like he’s getting

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introduced to people on a massive platform by what’s considered serious um when he literally is such a misogynist

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he he said that you’re not fit to be a mother because he doesn’t like your opinion like that that’s bad [ __ ] crazy

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sorry I don’t usually curse on my own show but like that’s just so insane and he also threatens me later he’s like

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he’s like you will be held accountable so there was like a it’s like it’s like when when Israeli spies acknowledging

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the fact that you have kids when I don’t really go out there and talk about my kids a lot I really don’t and this guy

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was basically being like I know you have children on one hand which is also really scary and then later he’s just

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like you will be held accountable like he was threatening me on TV and what’s crazy about this also is like

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Pierce Morgan the problem with Piers Morgan well there’s many problems with Piers Morgan but but I think a big problem is that he wants to appear is

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like the same rational Voice who has these two extremists from both sides and he’s just trying to find the middle ground you can’t both sides genocide and

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also you’re putting me a serious journalist next to an unhinged lunatic

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and former Israeli spy and you’re actually saying that these two people are somehow equivalent and I think that

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that’s really actually a fascinating thing to to unpack the okay so I also I

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just want to point out I would play more of this clip but there’s a limit in how much I’m allowed to play for us to react

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to because then it’ll be a copyright violation so I do encourage people to go uh check out all the different clips

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that exist of this uh episode uh on various platforms like Empire files on

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like Instagram and Twitter and stuff and on your your own uh social media but yeah he does actually say at one point

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like you will be held accountable and is a really really threatening way um and he looks crazy like he looks unhinged uh

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completely and P and and that is exactly what p i mean Piers Morgan’s whole thing I mean one of the ways he got like really famous is by having this whole

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debate style like almost Jerry springle Springer level debate style situation where he takes people from completely

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opposite sides and it it does make for good like boxing match rhetorically I suppose and people do watch and that

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gets views um and uh and I will say that it does allow like look no one else is

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inviting people like me and you on that have platforms as big as his and I know he’s not doing it because he agrees with us but I guess that’s the small benefit

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of it but then at the same time yeah it does like end up equating you with these insane people when you’re actually a

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serious person that this guy looks like he honestly looks like a killer like his eyes like look I mean for those who are

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just listening this guy’s eyes he looks crazy he looks like a sociopath and I imagine like I’m not trying to diagnose

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him here I’m just saying somebody who can come from a colonized society and be that much of a traitor has zero empathy

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and zero like he just has zero ability to feel for his own people so something is actually wrong with his brain in my

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opinion he’s not a normal person and he literally like threatened you on camera yeah how many bodies are in the basement

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dude I mean where are the bodies buried yeah exactly and um I I also so I wanna

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I want to go to something else you were talking about and that’s the fact that you were prepared to go on a second time and be asked to condemn Hamas um and you

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did a really good job of holding your own when you went on the first time uh against it was basically piers and Emily

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shider and they both kind of both teamed up on you uh and Piers does this he doesn’t let you finish your sentences

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and like just as soon as you’re getting to your point he’ll interrupt and he’ll demand you condemn Hamas and that was my experience but for me it was like me him

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this random Iranian girl whose name I forgot um but like she I guess made her name during the sort of like women life

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Freedom stuff from what I understand and there’s all this drama about her like like changing her name and like who her

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I don’t I don’t really care about that I just think she has horrible politics and she basically like is just trying to become famous being a Zionist and hating

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her her native country um and so it was her this woman Emily Shader and peers

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and then in the middle of this like panel he brought on the this like is crazy Israeli father of a child who had

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been a hostage but she was released in the first hostage exchange and he had actually said something along the lines

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like he wish he had been killed and he a little bit famous for that I don’t know if you remember that um but anyways he

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like went on and did like a one-on-one with peers in between the panel and like just said the most insane stuff like he

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started saying that like Palestinians are basically raping the female hostages

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every single day and like impregnating them with terrorist babies is what he said he kept using the term terrorist

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babies I skipped over that I couldn’t watch it like you did such a great job but I was like I’m not watching this no

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no I don’t encourage I don’t encourage anyone to watch it but he was just making these insane claims about how

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they’re all impregnated and they’ve been held hostage for so long it’s too late for the for them to have abortions so

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they’re gonna have to bring the terrorist babies to term and then like God if they eventually survive they’re

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going to go back to like Israel and they’re gonna have to give birth to these terrorist babies and spend the rest of their lives looking at the

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terrorist B he kept saying terrorist babies over and over again and he started he started like fake crying and

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then after after all this this guy had by the way he had like a Scottish accent so like my question for him would have

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been like why did you move why you here why yeah like why are you why did you move next to a concentration camp like

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it doesn’t sound like you had to but anyway because like but so then after this like 15 minute interview of Lies

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Pierce turns it to me and he’s like soana what do you have to

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say basically yeah yeah and I’m just like I like couldn’t even engage with anything it was just to many lies and on

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a show like this too like there’s just so many lies like you can’t engage with all of them or or else you’ll you’ll

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just like get confused so you have to just ignore them and like stick to what you’re there to say so anyways I’m sorry

29:41

that’s like a lot of rambling to set up uh I want to show a couple clips from my episode and then I want to ask you a couple questions about the condemnation

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game so here’s for here’s here’s the first one people the many months would you then condemn what her Mass did in

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October the 7th or not I don’t condemn Palestinian armed

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resistance groups just like I wouldn’t condemn slaves shooting at their Plantation Masters apparently a lot of

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you would I I would Rebellion I I wouldn’t the Irish fighting the

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British I I just want to add one more thing that’s really important I find it incredibly hypocritical to hear ra talk

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about settler colonialism when in fact she herself is Lebanese and the only

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entity that’s acting as a colonialist entity in the Middle East is the Islamic Republic of Iran which has essentially

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colonized Lebanon and completely destroyed it that is colonizing Hamas and the got to strip it’s a proxy of the

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Islamic Republic they are the ones calling the shot over what goes on in the Gaza Strip and how Hamas rules over

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the Palestinian people if that’s not colonialism and imperialism then I don’t know it is well I’ll answer that in just

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a moment I just want to point out that I’m not at all surprised by anything Emily said because she herself is a settler so of course she feels entitled

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to pontificate about a region that I actually am indigenous too but to get back to the issue of the

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hostages so I like look at the girl on the right she’s like a wax she’s like a

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wax statue she’s just like she kept like just drinking water like she would just literally like sorry I’m GNA use my

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coffee going to like a club it’s like why are you dressed like that anyway she we’re like all yelling at each other and

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this girl’s just like well they all look like they were villains from The Hunger Games they’re

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all wearing all white Emily is just nuts looking I mean all of them are just completely sociopathic yeah you I mean

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have no empathy whatsoever during my my debate with Emily she’s seriously

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laughing to the point where Piers is like it’s not funny is it when she’s talking about the dead kids the 13,000

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dead kids it’s like well she questioned you she questioned you on the number she was like I don’t believe that number

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yeah like she’s so insane she’s basically like that woman actually kind of looks like a she has Nazi Vibes um oh

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but but all that so I the reason I even wanted to raise some of those clips is I I mean I don’t I do enjoy watching

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because like I will say this when I was on and as for you same thing happened for you you can’t see anybody and you’re

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just like listening so you have no idea what it looks like or how it turned out so I was like really nervous afterwards

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because my whole thing was I don’t want to yell I don’t want to like lose my cool and I felt like I did lose my cool and then when it came out I was like

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pleasantly surprised I was like no I did a pretty good job but like they want to they want to basically push you into a corner so that you do like act like an

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insane person and on top of that I’m like convinced they kind of darkened my skin but

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whatever but great and it just showed you how white the other yeah I was like this actually works in my favor if they

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did Dark was whiter than me right but you know I also just I I want to like I I want to go into one particular aspect

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of this that that we’ve had to both deal with at this point you know I feel like when it comes into the whole like do you

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condemn do you condemn I mean I can’t believe we’re even still having this conversation eight months into it but it’s I feel like it’s really wrong to

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play into this condemnation game that’s why I think it’s important both you and I were able to go on and say no we don’t condemn because so many people have gone

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on even who are ostensively pro Palestine and they’ll go on and they will condemn and so I personally and I

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think you might AG you’ll probably agree with this I refuse to condemn Hamas or any other oppressed group for fighting

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against their colonizers like I mean it’s nobody goes back and condemn slave revolts nobody and slave revolts were

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vicious like go read about Nat Turner Rebellion it was I mean it was they killed entire Plantation families that’s

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just what happened nobody goes back and says the Haitians shouldn’t have brutally revolted against their French

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Masters nobody says that maybe the French say it but like nobody in like American liberal circles would ever say

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that yet when it comes to Hamas we have to condemn any Palestinians who fight

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against people trying to like exterminate them and then we also hear Palestinians constant constantly being

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lectured um and there supporters being lectured about how they need to stop using uh phrases like from The River To

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The Sea because it harms their movement since Israel has like smeared it as an anti-semitic statement so all that’s to

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say Abby why do you think it’s so important not to condemn Hamas or Palestinian armed resistance in general

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and and to make sure we don’t capitulate to these sort of Zionist demands that we soften our

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rhetoric yeah I mean it’s so ludicrous right when you look back at history and and do these historical comparisons like

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you just did I mean it’s it’s outrageous to even think of asking to condemn the

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slaves for for the N Turner Rebellion or or you know the Haitians for their Revolution I mean it’s just it’s just so

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absurd on its face but I think you know leftists and and people who oppose like

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Wars and interventions and occupations have been browbeaten for years to First

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condemn the state or the leader that the West is trying to overthrow or undermine and this is not only is it a rhetorical

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trap um but it also is designed to delegitimize the opposition to these

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things and so whether it was Saddam whether it was Gaddafi whether it was

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Assad were always being asked first do you condemn Saddam first do you condemn

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Gaddafi do you condemn Assad and the point of doing that is so that you can

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seed to the framework and that underlying premise that yes these people are bad they’ve committed heinous acts

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and therefore something needs to be done about them and that’s the problem when you capitulate to that framework then

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you’re allowing that debate to then be taken to well what needs to be done

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something has to be done right so when it was Saddam it was like well do we do sanctions or do we do an invasion and we

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need to take a step back and say no no no the us or Israel has no right to do anything to Iraq to Syria to Iran to

35:56

Lebanon no right to do anything to Palestine right Israel’s been carrying

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out ethnic cleansing and genocidal policies for 75 plus years they have no

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right to do anything about Hamas nor ises the United States so there’s a

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really problematic function of this demand to condemn Hamas for that reason

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alone okay and that that applied on October 7th it applied on October 6th and it applied on October 8th um there’s

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also a where academics and people who kind of just want to put on paper their

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self-righteousness and moral Clarity that they they were on record condemning

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you know condemning both sides and I think that’s just kind of like a pat on the back that they’re they’re morally

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Superior and so they can condemn everyone to just have them like it’s just very like weird and self-

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congratulatory um but for me and I think it’s the same for you R and and it’s difficult when you’re under the

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spotlight and when you’re you know when you’re being asked something looking into a black hole from someone like Piers Morgan saying how are you not

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condemning just wanted barbaric deaths and and a massacre right how are you not

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condemning the killing the indiscriminate and deliberate killing of civilians well I think you and I both

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agree we don’t agree with killing civilians we disagree with with that on

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its premise but you cannot condemn an armed resistance group fighting for their survival you cannot condemn the

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actual elected government of the Gaza Strip the infrastructural body that has

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provided people in Gaza with Aid with food with with their lives with the

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means and the capacity to live under a barbaric siege for years and years and

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you certainly cannot condemn eight months into a genocide the only people that are standing in the way of the

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complete obliteration of the Palestinian people Hamas is what is standing in the

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way of putting Palestinians in Mass Graves and the genocidal Army that’s on

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the ground so no we’re not going to condemn Hamas eight months into a genocide nor would I condemn them on day

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one and you know it’s it’s it’s really unfortunate because now we’re being asked um you know when this when peers

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and other people do this it’s all about conceding ran it’s all about saying yeah

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something needs to be done about them and I think we both agree that Israel has no right to do anything yeah the

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exact exactly exactly and I want to just uh just to add on to what you’re saying because you made this point really well

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the first time you were on do you think Piers is watching this by the way if you are hello how funny it would be if he like

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sat down and like like wait there’s a video about me um but no I mean in all

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seriousness the first time you were on you made you made a really good point of bringing it back to Israel’s created the circumstances for this uh so yeah nobody

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I don’t want anyone to die you don’t want anyone to die I would love for no one to die that would be fantastic which is why we want to get rid of the reason

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people are dying and that is this military occupation in colonial apartheid system and like anybody who

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dies on either side here is on Israel’s hands because they have created the situation just like and I I keep making

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the slave example because I think it actually is very apt just like if like there’s a slave revolt and a bunch of

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Plantation families are killed I blame the plantation system for that I don’t blame the slaves for fighting people who

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are literally like taking away their freedom um so that’s why we’re talk like

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that’s and all of this is a distraction from that primary fact like like that primary fact which is that this is the

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source of all of this violence that you claim to hate so much so why AR you talking about the source of the violence

39:45

instead you’re talking about the people fighting it like give me yeah no it’s it’s such a reduction and and it’s such

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a false equivalency because they want to reduce everything to Hamas bad Israel’s taking it too far Israel needs to do

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something to respond to Hamas but what can they do the problem is r and this goes back to Israeli Society is that

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Israel cannot react in in a mode of self-defense without being completely genocidal in their actions because

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they’ve revealed their their final solution we know the end goal of what

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Israeli Society Israeli government is has set forth with with the eradication

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and the surrender the force surrender of Hamas we we understand what that means and so when Piers Morgan and all all

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these other people who are pontificating about what what capacity should Israel respond what right do they have how far

40:34

should they go yeah there maybe taking a little too far but what could they have done about Hamas it’s like no no no no

40:39

they don’t have the right to do anything we need to take it back to the root of the violence Ronnie and that’s that’s why I’m really happy that you did that

40:45

as well because there is no equivalency there is absolutely no equivalency and so to reduce it down to that narrative

40:52

is is dysfunctional and really just opcat the actual real

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that anyone can see who studied this the people who are on record being like I I condemn Hamas for doing this and like

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yes I also condemn the Israeli government for taking their response too far it’s like they want to appear legitimate in the eyes of the ruling

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class so you have like I mean people like Naomi Klein you know out there being like calling Pro Palestine

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protests right on the the aftermath of October 7th like Pro Hamas rallies and

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and it’s just it’s really kind of grotesque because those people really do want to appeal to

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the ruling class and and they’re very desperate for legitimacy in in their in

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those people’s eyes and and I think that’s really kind of offensive to um to

41:41

Liberation struggles in general Abby you made a really good point about what all of this means about

41:47

Israeli society and last time you were on we talked about some of the reporting that you done uh from Jerusalem in the

41:53

past where you just kind of recorded Israeli being insane and genocidal and how normal it was but that was like you

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know almost a decade ago and now here we are in 2024 and we see crazy rhetoric

42:05

from not just regular people in the streets but like the defense minister has no problem being genocidal the Prime

42:11

Minister has no problem being genocidal I mean the South Africans built an entire case around genocidal intent

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based on the statements that are very cavalierly made by one Israeli official

42:23

after another who’s responsible for prosecuting this war and then we see it’s trickle down of the population because we see on you know they’re very

42:30

confident in themselves and totally comfortable posting these videos to Tik

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Tok where they’re like committing war crimes openly happily you know um here

42:42

in Lebanon you know anybody who uses a dating app in Lebanon actually like the GPS like uh disruptors that the Israelis

42:49

use have caused problems with GPS so you see a lot of Israelis on the dating app in like Beirut and it’s like they’re

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weing their their they’re wearing their uniforms and they’re like proudly in some cases you know people post yeah

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they’re like excited to show you they’ve been genociding um and also other people posted Israelis on dating apps like

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basically uh you know photographing themselves in front of lingerie that was they put that on dating apps um they

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show themselves like happily blowing up mosques as punishment schools as punishment saying they’re happy to kill

43:22

babies admitting to killing babies and enjoying it like this is a society so scarily high on hate with no red lines

43:30

so I’m just curious you know what do you have to say about the Israeli society that you’re witnessing very comfortably

43:35

live streaming themselves carrying out a genocide after having been there on the ground and hearing them say the kinds of

43:43

things they wanted to do to Palestinians and Arabs yeah I mean it’s it’s crazy that that was almost a decade ago during

43:49

a period of relative calm obviously it’s never a period of relative com propuls that me they’re getting massacred and

43:55

you know brutal ized and and humiliated and subjugated every single day but for Israelis in Jerusalem I mean it was just

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like a day in the suburbs of you know uh Portland Oregon I mean you’re just going

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to the mall at Sephora um just walking around in complete luxury and uh

44:13

privilege and so yeah it was really shocking to hear just during these Vox pops just randomly the open genocidal

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incitement from Israelis um nearly every single person I talked to was advocating

44:26

to just kill them all kick them all out or just drop a nuke on Gaza um so fast

44:31

forward to today and and to see the mask completely ripped off Israeli Society

44:37

look at the polling I mean back we all we always knew that Israeli Society was becoming very fascist but I think back

44:44

during the oso Accords you know that there was this notion that Israel was a leftist project the the notion of the

44:50

Socialist kutes even Bernie Sanders spent some time living there on a kabut I mean so I think over time that notion

44:57

of an Israeli left has diminished more and more and so for the

45:02

last 20 plus years Israeli leaders have just laughed off that notion of the peace process the two-state solution I

45:09

mean that’s always been a notion that’s been used to Plate American society and never really entertained or taken

45:14

seriously in Israeli Society it’s always been kind of a joke and so you know Israeli officials the little cudnik the

45:21

Netanyahu I mean all of these people just have never I mean I saw I saw a video of Netanyahu from like the 880s

45:28

saying that there will never be a Palestinian state so it’s just like actually so offensive to just constantly

45:34

be told by our politicians and media officials that no no no Israeli Society really does want this and no it’s just

45:41

Netanyahu netan Yahoo is the Trump of Israel when really I mean we know that Trump was essentially one of the most

45:48

American representations this country has ever had he’s not an aberration he’s

45:53

actually perfectly crystallizes the problems that deep rooted problems of Our Sick serial killer Society um and so

46:01

it’s the same thing with Netanyahu Netanyahu is a perfect example of what Israel really is Israel has become fully

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fascist nazi genocidal Society look at the polling over

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90% over 90% of Israelis agree with what’s going on they have for every

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bloodletting in Gaza every time that Israel decides to mow the lawn the majority majority of Israeli societies

46:28

the vast majority of Israeli of Israeli citizens agreed with that R and it the numbers just keep ticking up and up and

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up because look in the wake of 9911 we saw the mass ripped off American society the disgusting patriotic fervor and

46:41

unquestioning nationalism of Americans ripping off you know ripping out their

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reptile brain and just wanting to to incite racism and violence against Arabs

46:54

and and Muslims around the world that is nothing compared to what we’re seeing in Israel I mean their 9/11 which was

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October 7th has just basically given them cart blanch to just become who they

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always were ra it’s a society built on ethnic cleansing it’s a society that you

47:13

need to espouse the most dehumanizing racist views possible in

47:18

order to justify these policies if you’re an Israeli Citizen and you’re living in Israel 20 miles away from a

47:24

concentration camp if I was living 10 miles away from ashz like I I wouldn’t

47:29

be able to be there right so you have to grow up from cradle to grave hating

47:36

Muslims hating Palestinians with such a deep seated hatred that this is

47:43

Justified that it’s Justified to throw them in a cage and deprive them of Clean Water you have to think they’re

47:50

barbarians and you have to think that they’re animals and the leftists in Israel I mean if you want to call your a

47:57

leftist I think that a lot of people who are in the labor party and a lot of people who call themselves leftists still are fascists right the most

48:04

leftwing Israeli is a right-wing American and that’s not saying much considering the political Spectrum in

48:09

this country but a lot of left-wing Israelis a lot of anti-zionist Israelis who are actual leftists who disagree

48:16

with these horrible policies have fled because a lot of them can why would you want to live in a fascist Society I

48:22

wouldn’t want to live in Berlin in 1930 I just wouldn’t right I would get the

48:28

[ __ ] out of there so I think that it speaks volumes just to be an Israeli and

48:33

to be you know living you’re you’re living adjacent to the West Bank and this crazy military occupation then

48:39

living adjacent to Gaza but I think that especially now especially now less than

48:44

two% of Israelis think that Israel’s used Too Much Firepower after they’ve completely obliterated the entirety of

48:50

Gaza 8 months in r i mean what does that say about the society but let’s not take this anecdotally with just polling

48:57

because we know polling can can be skewed where are the protests where are the protests it took

49:05

months for a handful of Israelis to go out in the streets maybe not months maybe a couple weeks for like five to 10

49:13

Israelis to go out in the streets to oppose the genocide and and let’s go back to what you just said when we first started this a couple weeks in and

49:20

already babies were being starved thrown out of incubators hospitals bombed where

49:26

were these Israeli is opposing this so when there’s no opposition in the streets yes and Israeli Society is so

49:32

fascist that they’re yes they’re arresting Israelis it’s scary to be a leftist Israeli and go out there and

49:39

oppose this war it’s not only scary because you think that you could be arrested by your own government because that’s how fascist it is but also your

49:47

fellow Israeli citizens and neighbors right and colleagues will beat the [ __ ]

49:52

out of you I I saw like Al jazer or something film like a like a hand F of Israelis on the streets this was like

49:58

months into the genocide R and they were saying we are scared to be out here we’re scared for our lives because we’re

50:06

we could get beat up we could get assaulted and we could get imprisoned so this is it is so constrictive I mean

50:15

politically and also just like vocally I mean you don’t want to just speak out because you’re so scared

50:21

because of how fascist everyone around you is and so it’s this group thing that is that is um

50:27

it’s it would just be terrifying to live there and I think um you know I don’t think there’s any hope from within I

50:33

think this just speaks to why BDS is necessary I’ve been saying this for 10 years look I think the same applies to

50:39

the America to a certain extent but Israel is so far gone and even the liberal opposition right is out there

50:45

signing bombs signing their names on missiles that are going to bomb children

50:50

and refugee camps even the liberals so you know I mean what do you say about this what do you say about this other

50:57

than there is no hope from within Israeli Society it is fully fascist and genocidal and that’s why you have to

51:03

have this outside pressure to isolate them completely until they are forced to

51:09

make a parthe fall until they are forced to assimilate Palestinians into a one person one vote project um and and I

51:17

don’t I I’m just hoping that this is the beginning to the end for the Zionist project ra but unfortunately it’s had to

51:23

come um after a a a massacre of Untold

51:28

magnitude yeah it’s really if you ever had to you know justify a humanitarian

51:34

intervention this is it uh because it will only come from outside Israel cannot change from within for all the

51:40

reasons you explain and I think what’s incredibly terrifying is obviously like what Palestinians are being subjected to

51:46

right but then you see the enabling from the Americans and so I want to show just

51:51

an example of this enabling here’s a recent clip of um

51:57

an interaction between the Press Corps at the state department and one of the state department spokespeople and this

52:03

was after Nikki Haley just to set this up Nikki Haley visited you know the right of passage before any like any

52:10

major election and I guess she’s trying to serve in the Trump Administration is to go visit the settler the settler

52:15

Colony America Funds and that’s the state of Israel so Nikki Haley visited she went to the border near Gaza she

52:22

went to I think some West Bank settlements and then she went to the north where Israel’s been fighting a war with uh lebanon’s

52:29

hisbah uh and she signed a bomb and she took a photo of herself signing the bomb

52:35

and she wrote on it finish them um so that’s the kind of rhetoric you’re getting from the former US ambassador to

52:42

the UN and you could argue oh but she’s like a trump appointed person uh but here is a Biden

52:49

spokesperson uh responding to his uh thoughts on on Nikki Haley uh doing that

52:55

so here we go sorry the followup to Sid’s question if Nikki Hy’s comments are made by private citizens and

53:02

therefore don’t require any comment from you why did this Administration criticize people who spoke out in favor

53:08

of those in Palestine demanding a ceasefire and were quite vocal what what the difference when did we do that well

53:15

do you want to talk about the number of times that they were described as anti-semitic even anytime there was a

53:20

pro Palestinian protest it seemed to be that the admin you you you were conflating uh six different things and

53:27

uh your question is a little bit not on the level let’s talk about facts here

53:32

protests whether they be on college campuses or elsewhere they inherently uh

53:38

are not anti-semitic uh there have been of course over the course of these

53:43

protests been imagery there have been chants there have been slogans there have been signage that has been uh

53:50

anti-emetic also what we are talking about in those circumstances is uh

53:55

protest who in some instances have broken the law taking over buildings occupying occupying certain areas within

54:03

specific municipalities those are not expressions of free speech that is

54:09

illegal in some places so these are very two different things and I really don’t appreciate you confl well

54:14

one this the fact is you have said that a lot of the things said by the likes of Nikki Helen others are simply rhetoric

54:22

yet when you call for the destruction and and and a of of of people that’s

54:28

against international law why is that not being condemned from the platform from that is not the kind of rhetoric that we certainly uh support from this

54:35

Administration and it’s not ones that we’ve been using but Ambassador Haley is a private citizen she doesn’t speak for

54:40

the United States she doesn’t speak for the United States she doesn’t speak for this

54:46

Administration there you have it she’s a private citizen she’s a private citizen

54:52

Abby therefore her basically advocating genocide yeah her basically advocating genocide is no

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Big E but a bunch of students protesting is you know maybe a little bit anti-semitic and also maybe they broke

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the law I mean maybe Rosa Parks broke the law who cares like it’s a stupid law

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like I mean like if you agree that genocide is being committed which this [ __ ] doesn’t obviously but like if

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you agree that it does like anything’s game right because it’s the most serious crime that a state can commit so like we

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should be escalating our tactics to extreme levels to try to force our

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politicians to do the right thing so yeah occup builds is kind of like

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nothing dude yeah well I just want to play and this is also I’m putting I want to place this in the context I want to

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place this in the context of the fact that like so it cannot stop itself it’s

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so like ready to do what you said final solution and so here’s another example

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of here we go of what we’re of what we’re dealing with when it comes to the Americans who are supposed to be in

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charge as I said we don’t want to see a major ground operation we haven’t seen

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that at this point how many more charred corpses does he have to see

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before the president considers a change in policy we don’t want to see a single more innocent life taken and I kind of

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take a little offense at the question no civilian casualties is the right number of Civilian casualties and this is not

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something that we’ve turned a blind eye to nor has it been something we’ve ignored or neglected to raise with our Israeli counterparts including Ed this

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weekend as a result of this particular strike now they’re investigating it so let’s let them investigate it and see

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what they come up with but the president doesn’t have like a personal limit to this the president has been

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very clear and very direct about what our expectations are for Israeli operations in Rafa specifically but in

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Gaza r large we don’t support we won’t support a major ground operation in Rafa

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uh and we’ve again been very consistent on that and the president said H that should that occur then it might make him

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have to make different decisions in terms of support we haven’t seen that happen at this point why not have him come out and say that himself the

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president has been speaking to leaders throughout the region on regular basis he has been addressing you guys in

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various fora you’ve got plenty of opportunities to talk to the president including I might add in a press

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conference last week I me it’s just so insane this was by the way this was after the tent Massacre that’s when that

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that question happened it was after the first the first tent Massacre Because by the way there was others that happened

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just like with Israel with the hospitals they do it once everyone’s like oh my God this is horrible and then they do it

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12 more times and everyone’s like well I guess this is normal now and the same thing is is happening in Rafa they’re

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just like massacring refugees in tents to the point where it doesn’t matter but this is also happening like combination

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with you know obviously arming Israel to do whatever they want basically there are no limits and then on top of that you have mostly from Republican members

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of Congress and Senators you’ll have statements like Republican Congressman Max Miller was on Fox News a few months

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back and said we should turn Gaza into a parking lot um you had Lindsey Graham more recently essentially say we should

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nuke Gaza just like the Israelis should nuke Gaza just like they should be allowed to just like the Americans nuked

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Hiroshima Nagasaki uh and that he said that over the anniversary of those atomic bombings but all that’s to say

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like what yes this shows Israeli society’s unhinged fascist from top to bottom I don’t believe American society

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is fascist from top to bottom but from Top like what does this say about American society and the American

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government yeah yeah I mean yeah I mean the mask has been fully

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ripped off uh from the bipartisan consensus of just uh White Privilege and

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the complete dehum ation of brown people yet again I mean it’s it just feels like

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912 2001 I mean this was the sentiment this was what it was like and I can’t

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even imagine for people like you ra I mean to to grow up Arab in a in a post

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911 world I mean it was it was absolutely heinous and disgusting the rhetoric if you enjoyed this episode and

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