From the River to the Sea: Ibaitik Itsasora (121) eta Alfred de Zayas

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Alfred de Zayas: The West Has Become a Totalitarian Dystopia, The World Has Become Multipolar

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=820mXz46FFY)

Alfred de Zayas discusses how democracy and media and institutions in the West have become fake and are morphing into Orwellian totalitarianism. However, the world is changing, we are no longer the unipolar world of Washington and Brussels, we are a multipolar world…the global majority is not anymore with the West. NATO is a criminal organization with a history of violence and violation of the UN Charter. The EU is a scam. We are living the totalitarian dystopia that George Orwell predicted. He explains the true history behind the Russia-Ukraine War. With the support of the U.S., Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. Julian Assange’s fate does not look good. He doesn’t think the West has it in them to start WW3. He never gives up hope and is optimistic in the long-term.

About Alfred de Zayas

Alfred-Maurice de Zayas is a former UN Independent Expert on the Promotion of a democratic and equitable international order (2012-18), senior lawyer with the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, Secretary of the UN Human Rights Committee and Chief of the Petitions Department. Zayas grew up in Chicago, studied history and law, holds a J.D. from Harvard Law School and a Dr. phil. in modern history from the University of Göttingen. He was a Fulbright Graduate Fellow in Germany. Retired member of the New York and Florida Bar, author of 9 books and more than 200 scholarly articles. President of PEN International, Centre Suisse romand 2006-9 and again 2013-17. He is a winner of a 2022 International Book Award for his book, Building a Just World Order, in the category of Law.

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geopolitics and Empire is joined by Alfred AAS who’s a former un independent expert senior lawyer with the UN Office

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of the High Commissioner for human rights and professor at my alma Matra the Geneva School of diplomacy uh where

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I was also his student uh and he’s got many more accomplishments he grew up uh in my hometown of Chicago uh as well and

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he’s the author of many books including his latest countering mainstream narratives fake news fake law fake

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freedom and the human rights industry welcome back to geopolitics and Empire Alfred thank you for having me delighted

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to be here again it’s great to uh connect I think back in 2008 n i was a

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student at Geneva school and I think this is your probably like your third appearance the on the podcast I saw you

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were recently on TNT radio as well where I’ve also got a show you were with Durk Pullman I think and so I thought maybe

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we’d start discussing your book I just finished reading countering mainstream narratives it’s it’s fantastic uh and I

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love your r on Twitter x uh as well uh and and in the first or second page of

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the book you you talk about you know it’s it’s the fake News West basically you mentioned the dis disinformation

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governance board and I don’t know if you know but in 20 April of 2022 when they

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rolled that out with Nina yankowitz cons Consortium news Min Press News and me I

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also got banned from PayPal uh as part of a part of that group and so you’re sort of you know in the book you talk

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about a slick form of totalitarianism which has become the new normal and how the centers are being canceled by

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government uh and big Tech uh and it’s it’s all destroying what’s left of our democracy and you often talk about uh

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this fake democracy in the west so you know your further thoughts on all this well

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democracy means that the Sovereign is a people and that the Sovereign have

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genuine choices I’m an American citizen I’m also a Swiss citizen but uh as an American

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citizen I and totly disenfranchised if I vote for a

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Republican or for a Democrat I get the same thing on fundamentals which are the

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fundamentals the Republican is going to be for the military industrial

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complex Democrat also the Republican is going to be for Wall Street not for

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mainstream Main Street uh same for the Democrat the Republicans going to be for

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Israel also uh the Democrat they’re both

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committed to war to make America great again you

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know to uh impose our will on the rest

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of the world so it’s this animous dominandi of both

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parties you’re not going to elect I will vote

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for Robert F Kennedy Jr in November but he’s not going to be

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elected back in 2020 I wrote in as right in candidate

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Tuli gabard and in 2016 I wrote

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in Bernie Sanders but when you have a choice

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between uh Trump and Hillary Clinton what kind of a choice is that I want to

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have a choice between Trump and Biden uh so I feel like it’s a

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proor exercise and the mainstream Media or the

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mass media tries to convince you that we are the greatest democracy in the world

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and that it functions but what I see all over is a total

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disconnect government doesn’t give a damn about what the people want or what

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the people need government is there for the elites government is there to make the rich

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richer and the poor poor and uh the trickle down theory of ir Rand for

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instance that’s all nonsense I mean it doesn’t trickle down and uh the poor are

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getting poorer and the conditions in the United States a rich country I mean it’s

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disgraceful when you’re in New York and you’re walking to the United Nations as

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I had to to present my report to the ga or when I was Secretary of the human

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rights committee uh to walk from the um

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Murray Hill East which was cheaper than the Millennium Hotel uh I would walk

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from uh 39th Street uh and Lexington

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over to uh 1 Avenue and 42nd and gosh how

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many homeless I saw sleeping in refrigerator

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boxes against the wall I mean for a rich country that is

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possible and these people of course die of pneumonia they die of um

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bronchitis uh they died just simply of um

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hypothermia and U I would like to say not in my

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name uh but there’s nothing I can do about it because not my Senator and not

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my congressman uh cares about it they care about giving more money to Ukraine

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to uh fight till the the last Ukrainian with American money uh to try to weaken

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uh Russia and um the European countries are not much

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better certainly not the United Kingdom France Germany happily I reside in

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Geneva Switzerland and I am very active uh in politics here my my wife is even

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con municip uh she is even more active than I am uh

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but we feel like we are part of uh the

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conduct of public affairs uh we have every year I would say at least uh 20 25

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issues that are put up uh for referendum besides the regular elections

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uh because we in the west think uh democracy is representative democracy

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but wait a minute do they represent us or whom are

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they representing I don’t feel represented by my Senator or by my U uh

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congresswoman and uh that being the case uh they don’t consult me they don’t

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inform me what’s important they go ahead they pass a trillion dollar

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budgets uh for the Pentagon uh and we have to um just grin

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and bear it so that is a very dysfunctional uh democracy that we have

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and of course for any democracy to function you

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need access to information Article 19 of the Covenant

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on civil and political rights guarantees access to information it’s not just

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freedom of opinion freedom of expression is the freedom

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to access what you need to develop an

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opinion and it’s that opinion that uh should be respected and

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when uh a professor is cancell when a news

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service is cancelled when talker is sent off by Fox uh Etc is not

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just his right to his opinion and his right to disseminate his opinion that is

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affected is my right to hear him I want to hear Tucker Carlson or I want to

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hear uh Oliver Stone uh if the mass media

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suppresses uh what comes from dissenting vith then democracy is being

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undermined because the people are not well informed and uh in U

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Germany I used to write regularly opets for the frankfor Alam

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title I used to write opets for devel I even wrote for the spegel and for

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deite that’s gone mean the last contact I had with

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them was 200 and 11 uh the uh Frank Fort ALG tium had

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asked me uh to write a full page which I did the editor who asked me was very

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pleased with the article and then six weeks later I get a letter from the

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uh uh editors of the newspaper excusing themselves that um after all they

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decided not to publish the article uh and that they would offer me

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a what they call in German an AAL on uh that is they would pay me a royalty for

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not publishing and I felt that that was such an insult that

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uh obviously I did not accept being just Bor off like that I mean it’s a matter

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of Honor I mean if you ask me for an article and I write an article that is solid I expect to see that article

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published otherwise don’t bother me don’t ask me so my answer to them was three words GS fun bar that is a very

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famous play by uh gerter and

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uh gon bingan is known for what is called a sh

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G the suian greeting and the suian greeting

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is just get out of here don’t bother me and translate it into English is you can

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kiss my ass and that is what I sent to the editors of the Frank for Al and that was

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the last time any newspaper in Germany asked me for an opit or I just didn’t

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bother anymore so the um culture of uh journalism in in Germany

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is gone uh the German media is completely aligned with the New York

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Times Washington Post Wall Street Journal CNN it’s all politically correct

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and cancel culture and um it’s dismaying because

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that disease is also spreading into Switzerland I remember writing a lot of

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articles for the tribun deev I haven’t written one probably for

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10 years and I also used to give interviews to uh the ker deev I think

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the last one I had was 2018 uh so things are getting worse even

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in Switzerland uh where uh they are just putting on this cruise and they don’t

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want certain opinions uh being disseminated of course this is for shall

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we say the Elites in the west uh too little too late uh because uh whether

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they like it or not uh the world has changed enormously we are no

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longer the unipolar world of uh

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Washington and Brussels uh we are a multi-polar world

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and the global majority in Latin America in a Africa in Asia is not with

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the United States and with Brussels not anymore I mean the Indians

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the Chinese the Indonesians don’t forget the Indonesians with their 280 million

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human beings the Brazilians the Mexicans the uh South Africans they count and

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they don’t like the United States and uh there is a certain

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solipsism in Washington and in Academia in the United States that still lives

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from the illusion that we are number one and that

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everybody looks up to the United States that’s not the case anymore people are

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not looking up to the United States they’re seeing the United States as a rogue State and when I say a rogue State

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I would go even further United States and NATO are one

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and the same NATO I published about

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that can very easily bear the

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label of a criminal organization don’t be shocked I repeat it

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NATO deserves the label the characterization as a criminal

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Organization for purposes of Articles 9 and 10 of the statute of uh the

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international Military Tribunal for nurenberg that is the London agreement

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of 8 August 1945 and also

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for purposes of the nberg Judgment of

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1946 that defined uh what was a criminal organization and found three German

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organizations uh to fit that definition so uh NATO why would it fall in this

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category obviously when NATO was founded uh back in um uh

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19 uh 49 I mean NATO uh was a

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legitimate defense Alliance I mean Stalin was aggressive Stalin was saber rattling

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Stalin had a huge Army and Stalin had the power if you

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wanted uh to invade all of Europe the only defense is

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the atomic weapon and that is why the United States through not one but two

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Atomic uh bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki just to tell the Russians watch

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it you’re next if you don’t do what we tell you you’re next but still uh you

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prefer a conventional War if you can have a conventional so you wanted to have a powerful NATO Army on the

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continent in uh in Europe and that’s how the organization emerged it’s

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actually compatible at the time uh with

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articles 52 53 54 uh of the um United

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Nations Charter that provides for the possibility of regional organizations

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but then the Articles say provided that the regional organizations act in

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Conformity with the United Nations Charter and with the object and purpose

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of the organization meaning respect for the sovereignty of States prohibition of

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the use of force um obligation to

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negotiate uh and to settle differences uh by peaceful means etc etc the moment

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the organization engag is in aggression it has no legitimacy anymore and is

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acting contrary to the UN Charter so that is when you uh cross the

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Rubicon that is when in

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1997 uh Bill Clinton decides to disregard the commitments made by George

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HW Bush Bush father and by his secretary of state James Baker uh not to advance one

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inch toward the East so in 1997 the uh

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doors were open and then of course Czechoslovakia Poland Etc entered and uh that was very

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much objected to by Russia that’s felt that he had been betrayed that he had

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been taken for a ride and

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um at that time he was bis yelson a drunker a hopeless individual so he

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didn’t have much credibility or much Authority and he couldn’t make his point

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[Music] understood um it was only when Putin in

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the year 2000 more or less caught uh Russia in

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freeall uh that he started um putting his foot down and saying look guys we

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want to be friends I respect you you respect us H

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that’s a deal and he his speech in the Munich security Conference of 2007 about

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which I have published uh it’s a brilliant speech and he says it in a

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very diplomatic way in a very simp ized way in a way very much consistent uh

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with Article 2 paragraph 3 of the UN Charter saying look guys we want a modos

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vendi let’s make it we want a um European security architecture that is

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good for everybody good for you good for us and so he sent that message

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out until 2008 when uh George W

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bush Bush Jr uh decided at a uh NATO

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meeting uh that uh Georgia and Ukraine would be

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invited that was really not one but two red lines because no country wants to be

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in circle and um besides Georgia is certainly not a North Atlantic country

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neither is Ukraine as the case may be uh the protests of uh uh Putin and of

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medev uh were ignored things start getting worse

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because the United States uh starts undermining Ukraine and the Ukraine uh

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democracy now in Ukraine you have the democratically elected president of all

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ukrainians Victor yanukovich now VI yanukovich uh was more or less a

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peaceful man he didn’t want to throw the Army against the

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centers and uh as we know from um Ian

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kazinski this uh researcher in the University of Ottawa is a professor he

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I’ve interviewed him I’ve interviewed on my show yeah important interview not interview uh

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study uh of the uh maidan violence which did not come from the government which

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did not come from General kovich but came as false flag you know from uh the

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maidan uh radicals and Fanatics that were of course being financed by Europe

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and by the United States so you have an arrangement a treaty uh signed

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by uh the French the

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poles uh the Germans maidan and yanukovich and uh yanukovich actually

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bends to them and although he still had two more years to go as president agrees

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to advance the elections not withstanding uh this enormous concession

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from the legitimate Head of State uh the

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uh Fanatics uh broke the uh treaty and um

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if yanukovich had not fled for his life I have no doubt he would have been

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killed but all this time yanukovich could have done uh What uh the president of

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Kazakhstan did back two years ago when the United States tried to Stage a uh

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color Revolution uh in Kazakhstan he just threw the Army against him he just

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mopped it up and uh januk kovich didn’t want to kill uh any ukrainians so he

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decided to leave naively thinking that that was the end uh of the

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conflict and uh if the illegal

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unconstitution Parliament uh had said okay we got rid

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of this uh Russo file yanukovich now

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let’s uh heal wounds let’s open our arms and say good we are all ukrainians we

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love you Russians from the donbas we love you Russians uh from the Crimea etc

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etc uh we love you Russians from the Odessa and what happened they massacred

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50 uh Russians in Essa uh they started bombarding uh the

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uh donbas region uh lugans and slaviansk and uh well uh obviously under those

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conditions uh the U Russian population uh of uh Crimea said goodbye forget it I

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mean uh we were never ukrainians uh the Ukrainian population here is only about

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12% and we don’t recognize the unconstitutional regime uh in Kiev and

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first they hold a referendum they invite the United Nations they invite the OCD they invite

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uh the EU to send observers none of them send observers would you

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believe of course referendum takes place uh more than 90% % uh

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vote uh for independence first Independence after they vote for

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Independence the parliament uh takes an

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unilateral Declaration of Independence that gets

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published get sent to care and uh so far so good no violence

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no one killed no blood what happens

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next they fear that they’re going to be attacked because it’s not a uh shall we

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say a peaceloving parliament there uh they’re you know up to no good these

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people so they make a decision we’re independent we have declared ourselves

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independent just like Kosovo declared itself independent we have the legitimacy of a referendum

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we invited everybody to come and watch the referendum if they didn’t come that’s their problem not

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ours so they make an official request to

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uh the uh Russian government uh to be

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reincorporated into Russia remembering that uh uh it’ll always been part of what is

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called the Russian oblast and it had been

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administratively transferred by kusov a

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Ukrainian uh in the 1950s from the Russian oblas to the

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Ukrainian oblas which of course didn’t mean anything in the 1950s because everything was decided in Moscow anyhow

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it was the Soviet Union but the moment that Ukraine splits

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unconstitutionally because they did not follow the rules for its uh departure

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from um uh from the Soviet Union um they took

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with them cremia and they took with them the donbas which was overwhelmingly

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Russian uh so far so good as long as you didn’t have a

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russophobic parliament and a russophobic president uh who for whatever reason

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hated the Russians so uh at the Duma the Russian Parliament

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they examine their request and after due

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consideration they approve reincorporating Crimea into

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Russia it’s not the end of the story The constitu tional Court in

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Moscow still had to approve it is it within the power of the Duma to approve

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this request is it constitutional and the answer is yes and

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only then does it get signed by Putin a

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perfect example of the realization of the right of All Peoples to

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self-determination peacefully without killing anybody uh and the world world doesn’t

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want to accept it Washington rejects it and uh Berlin rejects it and London

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rejects it you know why I mean they had far stronger casaste

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than the kosovars far stronger and there was the president of Kos and there was

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the advisory opinion of the international court of justice of uh July uh

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2010 which very clearly said in paragraph 80 uh that uh

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self-determination actually is superior to territorial Integrity history shows how the

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territorial Integrity of all countries has changed uh over the

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decades over the centuries there’s nothing sacred about uh the Frontiers

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and there something that you can change certainly uh in a peaceful manner uh by

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agreement and that is reflected in the Helsinki final Act of

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1975 so you would think that uh you know the West has no leg to stand on here

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where propaganda uh media manipulation uh fake narratives come in

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uh simply by repeating that Russia annexed uh primier you put a stamp of

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something illegal illegitimate it was eminently legal and

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it was eminently legitimate and it was just it reflected the will of the people

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of Crimea ditto is in the

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donbas now nobody wanted a war in the Donas

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certainly not the Russian population they expected that their

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right to self-determination would be just as respected as the right of

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self-determination of the kosovars it’s not the case Ukraine Tried by Force of Arms with

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tanks with artillery with airplanes to bombard uh new guns and uh slavian

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Etc uh so you get uh the Minsk agreement number

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one 2014 violated immediately by Ukraine

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that leads to more violence then you get a mince agreement number two and if the mince agreement had been

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respected everything would have been fine it did not even demand secession did not

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envisage Independence uh for the dbas it only envisaged that what we term as internal

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self-determination that the Russian population of uh this large region would

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have autonomy they would have linguistic autonomy cultural autonomy they could

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have their schools and their traditions and uh what have you uh as part of

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Ukraine but not uh as an independent state of course that depended

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on negotiation part of the Minsk agreement was that you needed direct

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negotiation between uh Ukraine and the leaders of the

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Donas Ukraine refused and then all this

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time you have uh the United States and Europe stationing more and more and more

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lethal weapons uh in Ukraine close to the frontier with Russia and uh Russia

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kept sending signals uh please don’t do this you know

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uh this Con constitutes an existential threat and as you probably know Article

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2 paragraph 4 of the UN Charter prohibits not

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only the use of force but it certainly prohibits the threat of the use of

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force now here NATO NATO countries have

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been threatening with the use of force uh for decades basically since the

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1990s and uh this very threat is a

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violation of uh the UN Charter that constitutes a threat to International

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Peace and security article 39 of the charter article 99 uh of the

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charter Putin of course feels that it’s been taken for a ride

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Putin uh participates in conferences with the OS participates in the

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so-called Normandy format and uh we

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learn last year or was it night 2022 sometime I think in the summer of

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2022 that uh for me incomprehensible that uh Angela Merle

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would in an interview with deite would confess

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that she never intended to keep the mins agreements because they were one of the guarantors of the mins agreements that

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she’d only entered into the mince agreements to gain time so that Ukraine

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uh could be armed uh against Russia I mean this is such bat faith I mean such

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a just massive violation of the U uh Vienna convention

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on the law treaties that it’s really breathtaking and it’s breathtakingly

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stupid uh to say so I mean I have no doubt that that was always the

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case but don’t say it it’s like uh you’re actually confessing that you

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deliberately cheated that you deliberately lied to a powerful nuclear

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country on a matter of life and death if that was not bad enough then

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France this uh

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uh as you would say in German uh this

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mediocre Fran olong who at that moment was the president of

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France agrees with uh Angela Merkel and also says oh

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that’s the same reason why I joined uh in the mince agreement uh so

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that we could gain time again what kind of people are we in the west do we have

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any ethics do we have any credibility do we deserve respect from the rest of the

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International Community when it matters of this importance uh we play with life

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and death uh like that well uh in any event NATO has a very

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ugly History of Violence NATO breaks the UN Charter in

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uh conducting aggressive War destroying the territorial Integrity of Serbia and

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Montenegro deliberately without any approval of the security

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Council just bypassing the United Nations just go there and bum the hell

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out of the serbs and impose regime change and impose what we

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want uh using uh cluster bombs using the pleaded

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uranium using all sorts of prohibited weapons uh and they get away with it

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these are all war crimes and uh war crimes in complete

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impunity which then they repeat in Afghanistan and they repeat in Iraq

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2003 I mean uh what NATO did in

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Iraq was nothing less than a revolt against international law against

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the United Nations Charter against the authority of the security Council and uh you maybe a million um uh

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Iraqis who cares they’re only Iraqis stole their uh oil uh

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imposed uh an illegal regime uh in bdad uh and uh then nato participates

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in shall we say cheating the Russians and the Chinese who

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approved resolution 1973 uh of the security Council which

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was intended for humanitarian assistance to the people of

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Libya it was not an approval of bombing the hell out of mohammar Gaddafi or

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having him murdered and now you will remember

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this grotesque YouTube which everybody can

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watch uh of Hillary Clinton uh saying uh we came we saw he died and

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then she laughs and this kind of centorian uh blood curling

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laughter uh what kind of people are this and this woman pretended to be president

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of the United States of America I mean you you realize that your leaders are a

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bunch of Rogues uh people with no morals no ethics uh

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just power and I just wanted to add you know since the 2000s I’ve been calling NATO

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the north uh you know North Atlantic terrorist organization and you know when

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I was when we were your students in 20089 I remember in bden uh Germany there was going to be this massive

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anti-nato protest because NATO was meeting there and and a number of us

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you’re you’re students we were going to attend we were going to take the train to Baden and this is just to what you’re

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saying their show of democracy they closed the town completely so people

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living people living couldn’t exit and we were not able to get in to to protest and then you know you talk you’ve

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written uh Glo Global times articles about nato in your book you talk about how NATO has emerged as the perfect

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religion for bullies and warmongers not like not unlike other expansive ideologies of the past and then you know

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we’ve the stuff that’s going on with like nordstream it’s literally you know as you’re giving examples they’re

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blowing up these pipelines the Kirch Bridge assassinating civilians like d

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Alexander Dugan’s daughter yes and so you I mean it’s got and now they’re

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positing I’ve read articles academic white papers last year where they say they want to rename NATO from North

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Atlantic Treaty Organization to New Alliance Treaty Organization to make it B basically a global worldwide worldwide

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military for you know your thoughts on that and then on the escalation are you know are

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we headed into World War I because of its prehistory NATO has proven to be a

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criminal organization so uh there’s no incentive

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for any new country or to want to enter a criminal

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organization it is incompatible with the United Nations

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Charter and uh I would like to see governments

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uh like Hungary like uh uh

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Slovakia like Slovenia simply to turn their backs on Nat and say sorry because

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of your track record of crimes war crimes crimes against

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humanity in Afghanistan and Iraq and in Libya Etc and because of your current

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animus dominandi because of your current um uh expansive

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craze uh we don’t want to have anything to do with you you are not a an

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organization Allowed by the United Nations Charter in

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uh chapter 8 so uh it should be dismantled it should have been dis

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dismantled already in 1991 when um The warso Pact uh was

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dismantled and what it has done is has tried to take advantage of the

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weakness of Russia in the 1990s to

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usurp the powers of the security Council to usurp the powers of the United

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Nations and become uh the world policeman well

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nobody legitimizes that it would only be

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um shall we say by Force of Arms by Conquest uh that

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NATO would uh achieve that but of course there’s been major

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pushback and it’s no question that uh NATO want to expand

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into the Asia Pacific area it’s already creating problems uh

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with Taiwan and with the South China Sea and the Philippines etc etc uh I think

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the House of Cards is going to crumble but uh it is up to the media is up to

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Independent journalists to convince

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large WS of the population in the United States in Canada and the United Kingdom in Europe uh that they’re up to no good

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that uh NATO has morphed from a legitimate

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organization uh into a dangerous threat for the survival of the planet for the

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survival of humanity and for that reason it must be dismantled

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and uh I think that the credibility uh of the United States has

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suffered so much uh over the last uh 10 20 years certainly uh in connection with

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the cynical way we have uh sent Ukrainian boys into the meat

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grinder uh the cynical way uh that we have support reported um Israel I mean

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we have a system of international Justice the highest institution or

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Institute of international Justice uh is the uh International court of justice

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the international court of justice has issued an order uh to Israel to stop

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doing ab B C D and Israel has continued and the United States has supported it

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it’s quite clear that applying objectively the genocide Convention of

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1948 Israel is committing genocide in

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Gaza it falls under Articles uh uh two a

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b c and e uh and it certainly falls under

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article three and what is even worse for me as an

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American the United States actions in supporting Israel in blocking three

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times the uh ceasefire resolution at the security Council in continuing to arm uh

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Israel have to consider that Palestinians are being killed

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with American weapons that being the

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case we completely full under article 3

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paragraph e we are complicit in the genocide and I take

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advantage of this opportunity to call on your listeners whether they be in Mexico

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or in Brazil or in the uh United States or in Canada or

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whatever push governments you only need one but it

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would be best to have a Consortium of governments that would

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invoke article 9 of the genocide convention and send the case by referral

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automatic referral doesn’t have to go through the security Council or through the general assembly it goes straight to

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the international court of justice because you have here a dispute on the

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application or interpretation of the genocide convention does article 3E apply to the

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United States what uh the United States has done in the security Council in

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blocking uh a resolution to stop the genocide makes the United States

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complicit in the genocide that can go to the international court of justice it’s not

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just accusing uh Israel of committing the

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genocide it’s accusing the United States and all countries that deliver weapons

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uh to Israel as being complicit in the genocide that is important also for the

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perception uh of the law people should come to

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understand that the West not the East not China not India not

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Indonesia the West United States Canada United Kingdom we are in

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revolt against international law we are in revolt against the genocide

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convention and against the United Nations uh that has to be Bel that has

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to be internalized and that we’re not there yet because the power of

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the media is so pervas it’s so Thor goinging that

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people are essentially indoctrinated we in the west you will

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remember it because you did it in your high school the same as I did I pledged allegiance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God

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Etc Etc every morning we are educated to believe that

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we are the good guys by definition and that means that the

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others are the bad guys if we are the good guys the others are the bad guys this is actually a James Bond

49:47

syndrome uh We’ve watched too many James Bond movies uh we are convinced that we

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have the right to kill targeted killings we have the right because we’re the good guys uh we have a

50:01

binary approach to the world uh we have divided the world into

50:07

democracies and autocracies we self-define ourselves as being democracies although we’re not and then

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we invent the Fable that democracies do

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not start wars the democracies are not aggressive it’s all fake as I said we’re

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living in a world of not only fake news we have fake history we have uh fake law

50:38

we have fake diplomacy and of course fake uh democracy I explained that in

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this book building a just world order I explained it

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further in the human rights industry and uh coming back to uh our commitment

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uh to make peace in the world and that is the Alpha and Omega of the United

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Nations we’re useless if we cannot make peace in the world and we cannot mediate

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uh peace uh

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but before we can effectively Act uh we have to understand

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and there’s such a veil we are living in such a bubble as I

51:35

said uh we are swimming in an ocean of lives our governments Li to us on a

51:43

daily basis and uh the New York Times Washington Post W Street Journal instead

51:50

of being the Watchdogs of our rights they are just the Echo

51:56

chambers of what Washington wants and what the Pentagon wants so uh the

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result uh is uh that most Americans and

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Canadians really believe the propaganda they have not come to

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perceive uh Washington as a rogue government they

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have not come to perceive NATO as a criminal

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organization uh we’ll get there I am persuaded because there is Max blumental

52:33

with his uh gry Zone there’s Aron Aon mate with

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the pushback there is the Real News Network there’s Amy Goodman with

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democracy Now Etc there are more and more people who are aware of what’s

52:52

going on and then brilliant Prof professors I mean uh I correspond

52:58

regularly uh with uh John mesimer I correspond uh with uh Richard folk with

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Professor uh Jeffrey Sachs with Professor Dan kovalic with Professor step kiner with Professor Francis Bole

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there’s plenty of us uh who actually have understood how the game is being

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played uh but I would say the masses of the

53:28

population are still just as indoctrinated as the masses of the population in O Ania in George Orwell’s

53:38

1984 I mean we have a culture of hatred I mean we are taught to hate the

53:44

Russians we are taught to hate the Chinese and it’s almost knee-jerk nobody

53:49

even thinks why should we hate them no no we were supposed to hate them it’s part of patriotism and uh that is the

53:57

approach you remember in 1984 hate weak that’s uh one of the chapters that I

54:04

mean remember reading it like 50 years ago and I say oh

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wow and the fact is exercise in hate and this exercise in hate is being

54:15

propagated by the New York Times The Washington Post The Wall Street Journal CNN etc etc and if you want to be in you

54:23

have to hate Russians you want to be in you have to rate hate Chinese and say bad things about them and then you feel

54:30

good it it it’s it’s totally sick uh but that is the situation that

54:36

obtains you mentioned kovalik uh kinzer Bole all of been guests on this podcast

54:43

and in fact um I’m I’m featured in Bo’s latest book resisting medical tyranny

54:48

it’s my interview with him that uh on Co when we kind of got famous and uh I just

54:55

something I want to go back to you often use in your commentary terms like describing the West orwellian

55:00

totalitarian dystopia and myself also being an EU citizen a Croatian citizen

55:05

uh just as you know you are uh you have multiple citizenships as well I’m really bothered with this as you describe it

55:12

this farce this this hypocrisy that we’re seeing in Brussels and EU wide as well and something that sort of in

55:19

encapsulates this was this recent speech by polish MEP jessic s walski who said

55:26

EU is no longer a peaceful organization it’s an Empire they’re building an empire um and the political Mega plan is

55:34

to build Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok with the neglect of The Wishes and will of the people as you often mention and he says we from

55:41

central eastern Europe we feel it by our skin the EU is a communist inspiration project we didn’t rejoin Europe to fall

55:48

back into the Communist project and I’m very fed up with you know the urula Vander Lions um and you know um any

55:56

further thoughts on on the farce um that is the EU and it’s you know quote

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democracy well it it is a scan uh the EU

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was a great idea when it was the common market before it became uh a political

56:15

machine before it was hijacked by certain Elites I mean

56:22

they’re hand inand uh with SOS they’re handin hand with the world economic uh

56:29

forum and uh what they want is power and

56:34

self-perpetuation of this Elite not of anybody else just the elite and what is

56:41

particularly shocking I am a practicing Catholic and uh

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personally I am against uh Li liberal

56:55

abortion I approve abortions uh in cases of rape in cases where the health of the

57:02

mother uh is uh at stake etc etc but I don’t want to see abortion as a form of

57:10

contraception that’s a form of okay fine I had fun last night and you know child

57:15

is uh in progress okay let’s get rid of it uh this kind of

57:21

immorality uh is something that I do not want to nurture I don’t want to

57:28

cultivate it I uh find some people

57:33

believe in it and I respect the opinions of others but

57:39

when uh Brussels is trying to impose its views on abortion its views

57:47

on LGBT Etc on the rest of Europe and

57:53

you will recall that in the international Covenant on civil and political rights um you

58:01

have uh shall we say a recognition articles 18 articles

58:11

19 uh that um governments uh have the

58:17

right uh to impose certain

58:22

restrictions based on more moral and health

58:27

considerations and uh when uh Slovakia or Hungary or Poland have uh these

58:35

restrictions that is now contrary to EU interpretation of the

58:42

law and uh there again one of the problems that I deal with in

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u the human rights industry the hijacking of the institutions quis custos custodes what

58:57

do you do when the organizations that are there to protect your rights are

59:03

actually the organizations that are betraying you the organizations that are throwing you before the

59:11

bus uh that is the problem with the EU that is the problem with the European

59:17

Court of Human Rights there’s a whole series of judgments of the European

59:23

Court of human rights that aren’t just purely political political ideological they have nothing to do with the

59:30

European convention on human rights and fundamental freedoms in fact they are contrary to it and here you have judges

59:37

doing that so my uh great concern for

59:42

the future of the institutions is that we have allowed the

59:48

institutions to be corrupted to be penetrated

59:57

by ulterior interests by intelligence

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services and that they’re playing hard ball with democratic governments I mean

1:00:10

uh Victor Orban has every right to defend uh the identity the culture the

1:00:19

traditions of the Hungarian people every right and the European Union has zero

1:00:25

right to interfere in the internal affairs of Hungary but it is doing

1:00:31

it and EU uh is actually

1:00:39

morphing into another criminal

1:00:45

organization not in the same manner as

1:00:50

the NATO I mean uh the European Union is not going out and slaughtering people in

1:01:00

Afghanistan and Iraq Etc uh but the European Union is restricting the human

1:01:09

rights uh of millions of people in Europe and it’s also

1:01:18

playing double standards it’s interesting how under the

1:01:24

treat of Elizabeth they have started proceedings

1:01:29

against Hungary against Poland uh for

1:01:36

so-called breaches or threats uh to the rule of

1:01:42

law now how about the

1:01:47

situation uh in the United Kingdom and the

1:01:52

total uh breakdown of the rule of law when it comes to Julian Assange I mean

1:02:01

the working group on arbitrary detention determined already in 2015 that his detention was

1:02:09

arbitrary myself I visited uh Juliana Sange in

1:02:14

2015 uh at the Ecuadorian uh Embassy in London and um I

1:02:22

called for his immediate release and compensation because of arbitrary

1:02:27

detention then the special reporter on torture

1:02:33

went to visit him at Belmar prison not only himself but with a team of doctors

1:02:40

and psychiatrist and he concluded that

1:02:45

uh his conditions of detention not only were contrary to the international

1:02:51

Covenant on civil and political rights articles 9 10 Etc but that they

1:02:56

constituted torture article 7 article 7 it

1:03:02

constituted uh psychological torture within the meaning of article 7 of the

1:03:07

Covenant on civil and political rights and cruel and unusual

1:03:13

punishment uh so he documents in a big

1:03:19

book called The Trial of Julian Assange he documents the breakdown

1:03:26

of the rule of law in the united states in the United Kingdom in Sweden because

1:03:33

Sweden Bears an enormous responsibility for allowing its judicial

1:03:39

system to be used politically to persecute Julian Assange and of course

1:03:44

Ecuador when um in exchange for an IMF

1:03:51

uh uh loan um Lenin Moro Moreno of Ecuador just sold

1:03:58

them down the river and had uh the uh the Brits uh take him out uh of the um

1:04:07

Ecuadorian uh Embassy in London is it in disgrace here uh proof

1:04:14

of complete politization of the administration of justice of

1:04:21

uh deliberate have faith uh in the application of domestic law not

1:04:29

international law domestic I mean the this entail violations of Ecuadorian

1:04:35

domestic law and constitutional law violation of uh Swedish domestic law

1:04:41

British domestic law United States domestic law etc etc it’s a total

1:04:47

Scandal far worse but far worse than the Dyers Affair uh of uh

1:04:56

1898 that time it was of course a military court that had uh trumped up

1:05:02

charges against Alfred Ros and I had him convicted and sent to Devil’s Island etc

1:05:07

etc thank God for an Emil Zola who in his famous article jaus uh opened the

1:05:14

Pandora box and then all hell broke loose you know he spilled the

1:05:19

beans and um they had to allow alred ders uh to come back to be rehabilitated

1:05:27

and uh in any event that had a happy end but the Julian Assange case has not had

1:05:34

a happy end yet in any event the man has been deprived of a good 14 years of his

1:05:41

life uh I mean it’s been hell for him since uh he publish uh as any journalist

1:05:52

would uh information that you and I have a right to have I

1:05:58

mean it’s something uh that Americans don’t seem to have grasped

1:06:05

yet secrecy uh is the

1:06:11

Condon for criminality all criminals depend on

1:06:20

secrecy and our government owes us

1:06:25

transparency and accountability when they murder civilians in Iraq as we saw in the film

1:06:34

collateral murder uh when they murder civilians when they commit really

1:06:41

grotesque crimes uh this is being done in our

1:06:48

name I’m an American citizen this is being going in my name I don’t want this

1:06:55

I reject this and uh I consider that

1:07:01

Assange has done the world an enormous service by uh publishing what he

1:07:08

published and uh we had two weeks ago uh I think was on the 14th of

1:07:17

February uh a uh um conference about two hours

1:07:24

uh with the head of uh Wikileaks uh Christine

1:07:29

Cranson and um uh also with the head of um uh reporters Without Borders here in

1:07:38

Geneva we were discussing the Assange case and um they were not optimistic

1:07:46

because they had given up essentially on the uh

1:07:52

Independence and the professional ISM uh of the judges in

1:07:57

London and seeing with what bad faith they had handled uh the case hither to

1:08:05

they had no Great Expectations that uh the uh current um

1:08:12

um trial chamber uh would um

1:08:17

reverse uh the prior decision now obviously he will

1:08:23

immediately appeal to the European Court of Human Rights but can you trust the

1:08:29

European Court of Human Rights they’re also sold out they’re also penetrated by

1:08:36

intelligence Services I mean I know some of these judges I also know several of

1:08:41

the judges of the international court of justice and uh why do you think they’re

1:08:47

there do you think that anybody would nominate uh Francis Bole to being a

1:08:54

judge at the international court of justice or anybody would nominate Neil

1:09:00

Meltzer to be a judge at the European Court of human rights of course not

1:09:05

these are independent Minds these are people with ethics people who are

1:09:13

not sold out people who will not be sold out people whom you cannot give

1:09:21

instructions to to obviously they’re not going to be nominated uh

1:09:28

so not saying that uh the

1:09:33

judges uh are all questionable but some

1:09:39

are and uh uh

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if um it went to the European Court of Human Rights and I think it would have

1:09:52

to go there um there is a chance that the

1:09:58

majority will vote against his uh uh

1:10:03

extradition will prohibit his extradition but but uh what guarantee do you have that

1:10:12

uh the United Kingdom will respect uh the decision uh of the European Court I mean they’re capable

1:10:21

and they have already said so they’re cap capable to withdraw from the

1:10:26

European Court of Human Rights technically you cannot withdraw when a case is

1:10:32

pending uh so if a case is pending uh it’s too late to withdraw that case must

1:10:39

go through in view of the massive violation

1:10:45

of the rule of law in the United Kingdom in this Assange case and in the others

1:10:51

it’s not the only one I don’t know whether they have any intention to

1:11:00

implement uh a uh decision of the European Court of human rights now

1:11:09

um the United States has made it a point

1:11:14

uh to show that uh no one can challenge uh the secrecy

1:11:24

uh of the US government and that the US government has every right to withhold

1:11:30

information from us that in itself of course it’s a violation of Article 19 of

1:11:36

the international Covenant on civil and political rights but who cares in the

1:11:41

United States I mean you remember the uh Gonzalez uh torture memos at the time of

1:11:48

George W bush that said okay torture is fine you know go ahead

1:11:54

uh water boarding go ahead yeah yeah and um it’s this attitude that we are the

1:12:02

law not only are we Above the Law we are the LA we make the laws if the laws are

1:12:08

not convenient we CH and um this is a dangerous

1:12:15

totalitarian dystopian situation and uh thank God there’s

1:12:22

Francis Bo and there are professors uh who oppose uh

1:12:31

this Rush uh to the bottom of the pit uh

1:12:37

but uh it’s uh I’m not terribly optimistic for the short

1:12:44

term I’m putting my hope uh in the long term that more people have become uh

1:12:52

aware of the corruption of the system partly thanks to the Internet thanks to

1:12:59

programs like yours thanks uh to uh social media uh and um that eventually we will

1:13:09

manage to throw some of these uh criminal uh politicians out of office

1:13:18

but you remember a um sentence uh attributed to Kur to

1:13:24

hsky uh of Germany in the 1930s or also to Emma Goldman uh uh who migrated to the United

1:13:33

States um you’ll never know who actually said it first but the um statement was

1:13:39

in German originally and translated into English is if elections uh would change anything

1:13:49

uh that would be abolished and that gives you a view view

1:13:54

of what uh our democracy comes down to I mean our democracy is not a democracy

1:14:02

it’s an oligarchy people are not consulted people are systematically lied

1:14:07

to information is suppressed so when you’re making a decision you’re making

1:14:13

the decision on completely in uh uh inadequate information you don’t have

1:14:19

the facts and uh those people who dare

1:14:25

descent who dare try to give you the uh facts are being persecuted are being um

1:14:34

fired I mean I just learned of a professor at Max in Max flank Institute

1:14:39

in heidleburg where I worked uh in the team of the Encyclopedia of public

1:14:45

international law many years ago and uh I worked on the professor Rudolph B hat

1:14:53

uh was like a father to me he was wonderful man and I worked under Professor Carl during who wrote the

1:15:00

preface uh to one of my books uh as the case may be that doesn’t exist anymore

1:15:07

and a professor now it was last week was fired for pro Palestinian

1:15:15

tweets that the professor had put out not something that he had written you know on the

1:15:21

letterhead of the blank Institute no no in his private

1:15:26

um uh uh tweets and I mean if I had finished my Habit in

1:15:34

Germany uh I was going to be habilitated in in Cologne uh instead of that I came to the

1:15:40

United Nations you know I had uh three options I could have stayed in Max Blan

1:15:47

uh done AIT in Cologne or come Geneva and I came to

1:15:54

Geneva but if I had stayed in Germany either I would have been fired as a

1:16:01

professor or I would have been neutralized there is no academic freedom

1:16:07

in Germany today and as a matter of fact um I had an

1:16:14

invitation to give a series of lectures uh in Germany four of them at

1:16:22

1,00 a piece and I told them ter sorry but

1:16:29

Germany has become a totalitarian government Germany uh does not have

1:16:37

guarantees of academic freedom and

1:16:43

uh I am not going to weigh each

1:16:50

word I am not going to please the

1:16:56

sensors or please an audience who just wants to

1:17:01

hear something and not something else either I give my opinion on an issue or I don’t

1:17:12

give it and since there

1:17:17

are pieces of legislation adopted over the last 10 years that

1:17:24

penalize fake news penalize um apology of war

1:17:32

crimes who penalize hate speech so imagine I

1:17:39

say what I have published in the United States at least in the United States you

1:17:44

can publish um that there were precedents of

1:17:50

permissibility when uh Russia invaded Ukraine while before that NATO

1:17:58

had bombed the hell out of you you goia of Afghanistan of

1:18:04

uh uh of um Iraq and Libya Etc and

1:18:09

gotten away with it so there were presidents Putin was not the first one

1:18:15

to use Force without approval of the security Council that would be perceived

1:18:23

as apology of war crimes and crimes against humanity criminal offense okay

1:18:29

I’m a good lawyer I defend myself I get myself acquitted but it will cost me

1:18:36

probably uh because I’m not uh registered lawyer uh in Germany probably

1:18:42

would end up costing me 50,000 u in legal fees and I will probably waste a year of

1:18:50

my life defending myself uh against all sorts of ridiculous

1:18:56

accusations there are there’s also legislation with regard to hate

1:19:03

speech uh if I criticize Professor I’m not sure are you familiar with the

1:19:08

American playright he’s been a guest on my podcast CJ Hopkins uh who just he

1:19:13

tweeted during the covid era um he called the health minister of Germany

1:19:19

referred to him as a Nazi for some of the co policies and he’s facing jail time now in in Germany yeah but he’s not

1:19:27

in German in Germany or is he he he is he’s been living in Berlin for 20 years and now he he’s uh um they um the courts

1:19:36

appealed so he was acquitted and now the court has appealed uh and so he he’s still facing u a fine or couple months J

1:19:44

jail time for criticizing on Twitter the German Health minister so perfect

1:19:49

example of what what you’re talking it is a perfect example for that reason I told the

1:19:56

organizers when you abrogate all of this uh

1:20:02

totalitarian legislation I’ll consider your invitation but not until then and

1:20:10

um I have given Austria is not anywhere as bad as

1:20:15

Germany I gave two big lectures last year in Vienna I’m invited against this

1:20:22

year to give two more and I am taking the risk uh the last lecture I

1:20:29

gave uh in Germany was in 2019 at the gr AA in tuban and I did it

1:20:38

more or less as a as a friendship to the professor who

1:20:44

invited me and uh they wanted me to speak on my books and I said

1:20:51

no uh because that will get me into hot water you can buy the books and you can

1:20:58

uh read them go ahead but I’m not going to speak on them and I

1:21:04

spoke very de decent solid lecture on multilateralism cuz I thought that will

1:21:11

not get me into trouble and it didn’t but if I had uh spoken say on my first

1:21:18

book Nemesis at bston or I had spoken on my book The war crimes Bureau uh the

1:21:25

moment you give people information that surprises them that they’re not ready to

1:21:31

absorb uh you are the bad guy and um I’m

1:21:37

not putting up with that and uh so what else did I want to um highlight um maybe

1:21:45

just before giving you that that you know uh any final thought I I didn’t want to ask you before we were talking

1:21:51

about um you Ukraine and just to get your thoughts on the Spectre of War you know we were talking about irredentism

1:21:58

this week I read the report that transnistria is uh going to possibly ask

1:22:03

to join Russia we’ve got flash points like azaran and Armenia again we talked about Gaza Taiwan and China you know

1:22:10

Venezuela Guyana um and there’s this in general we’ve been discussing the decline of the West you’ve already

1:22:16

discussed multipolarity what’s your thought on the Spectre of you know another third world war if we see us in

1:22:23

Ukraine and Middle East well um I think that

1:22:28

ultimately uh the West doesn’t have the guts uh to do it that is

1:22:38

um if the West were to use um uh uh tactical uh nuclear weapons uh

1:22:48

their response uh from Russia would be massive and then that would escalate into a

1:22:55

third world war no doubt I have a fear that if

1:23:02

um Germany or uh uh United Kingdom uh give f-16s and

1:23:11

long rate missiles to uh Kev and those are used and they kill a substantial

1:23:18

number of people uh in Moscow or in St Petersburg that that uh obviously will lead to massive

1:23:26

retaliation without a doubt uh and that can of course get out

1:23:31

of control on the other hand f-16s are complicated machines

1:23:39

takes a long time to learn how to fly one and I don’t see that happening in

1:23:45

the next few months uh Ukraine just Lo lost adiva and

1:23:51

just lost another town now um they don’t have the Manpower not only

1:23:58

they don’t they have the sufficient ammunition they don’t have the Manpower uh to continue the War uh and uh I

1:24:07

suppose that Europe and the United States uh that are trapped in their own propaganda trapped in their own web um

1:24:17

ultimately this will end probably like Afghanistan uh uh we lost the war what

1:24:24

is and you just turn the page and you don’t talk about it

1:24:30

anymore we lost the war in Vietnam you turn the page nothing happened and

1:24:38

uh the government doesn’t fall down should but it doesn’t they stay there

1:24:44

and they have what the uh our Brethren the yish community says they

1:24:52

have hootspa they have a lot of hootspa that is they’re so daring audacious daunting

1:25:02

they don’t care uh they figure they’ve gotten away with it thus far and they will continue

1:25:08

getting away with so I don’t have that uh uh

1:25:15

fear uh that we will commit that ultimate uh error uh it would only be I

1:25:23

mean really uh a nuclear Annihilation

1:25:29

Mutual uh uh Atomic Annihilation that would

1:25:36

happen uh only if Russia is

1:25:43

uh really existentially inang uh Russia

1:25:51

will endure attacks on bod and uh on

1:26:00

Villages uh in um uh the South Etc uh but there are certain red

1:26:08

lines and uh they will not put up uh with um a major attack on the

1:26:16

Kremlin uh that would probably mean that Kev will be

1:26:23

leveled uh if a were to be so stupid as

1:26:28

to uh uh conduct a major attack on Moscow uh my feeling and I listened to

1:26:38

Colonel McGregor and I also listen uh to Ray

1:26:43

mgov uh the former CIA operative for 27 years who knows what he’s talking

1:26:50

about and uh they are aware of the danger uh I am aware of the danger too

1:26:57

uh but I somehow I’m less pessimistic than uh some of these other uh

1:27:05

observers and um My Hope Is that um as

1:27:12

South Africa had the uh courage uh to challenge uh the genocide being

1:27:18

committed by uh Israel in Gaza that the Africans the Latin

1:27:25

Americans the Indians uh will tell the United States and Brussels in no

1:27:32

uncertain words stop the nonsense because we do

1:27:38

not intend to pay for the consequences of a

1:27:44

nuclear war I mean uh you have no right because of your

1:27:52

internal European Carell uh to endanger the welfare of

1:27:59

people in Mexico and in Brazil and in South Africa and in Nigeria and in

1:28:05

Uganda and in Sri Lanka and in Indonesia you don’t have that right and uh if we

1:28:12

have to break diplomatic relations with you and if we have to stop trade with

1:28:18

you we will and uh I mean there are still shall we

1:28:25

say uh hard ball tactics that can be used I mean China still has almost a um

1:28:34

Monopoly on certain rare Earths if China uh gets second tired of

1:28:44

the irresponsibility uh of Biden and of the

1:28:51

US government and of RI sunak and know this all of uh

1:28:58

Schultz uh China could say certain crucial things that they

1:29:04

have they will withdraw it they will no longer deliver uh that um uh might make things

1:29:14

uh bit more complicated uh for the United States and for Europe but uh as I

1:29:20

already said part of the problem is that our leaders

1:29:25

certainly people like uh Michelle and USA felion Etc they

1:29:34

actually are solipsists solos it’s only

1:29:41

me they see me and they see their

1:29:47

umbilical word uh they are not aware

1:29:52

that other people see matters entirely different and

1:29:58

uh USA on liion thinks uh that we Europeans have a

1:30:05

mission to bring democracy and human rights to the rest of the

1:30:11

world and the rest of the world is sick and tired of this neocolonial

1:30:18

mentality they see it as arrogance they see it as hubis they see it as sheer

1:30:27

stupidity and uh the Chinese are very patient they have put up with this crap

1:30:35

for decades and they’re willing to put up with the crap for more decades but I

1:30:41

mean there are red lines and uh the US should not cross them I mean we crossed

1:30:48

them in Ukraine and that triggered the war and you can’t say that Putin did not warn

1:30:57

the West I mean he had his 130,000 troops on the border for a good two

1:31:05

months before the attack so it was not like it was hiding them it was not a

1:31:11

blitz Creek uh and one thing I wish everybody

1:31:16

would read and if you don’t have them I’ll send them to you by email and then you can send to your

1:31:24

listeners the two draft treaties that lavro put on the

1:31:30

table in December 2021 to prevent an armed conflict with

1:31:38

Ukraine and if you read them they’re moderate reasonable well anchored in the United

1:31:46

Nations Charter completely compatible uh with the object and purpose

1:31:52

uh of the United Nations completely compatible uh with Article 2 paragraph 3

1:31:58

of the charter just aiming

1:32:03

at a mutal security

1:32:11

architecture in all of Europe you don’t bother me I don’t bother

1:32:16

you uh like to cooperate but don’t threaten me don’t

1:32:24

encircle me and uh provided for guarantees of of uh the territorial

1:32:33

Integrity uh of Ukraine uh the donbas would not have

1:32:39

been recognized as independent states by Russia which Russia only recognized them

1:32:46

on the 22nd of February 2022 and the war

1:32:53

started two days later uh but that was precipitated by the fact that uh mid

1:33:00

January shalinsky signed an order to retake Don basan Crimea by

1:33:09

force so complete rep repudiation of the mins agreements exactly the opposite of

1:33:16

what the Minsk agreements provided for and uh the fact that as you can read

1:33:22

in the reports of the osce uh special Mission uh the number of

1:33:29

Ukrainian uh attacks uh on uh donet and lugans

1:33:38

quadrupled uh in the months of January and February so uh it was a hot War

1:33:46

already before the Russians invaded and what your listeners should also

1:33:54

understand we talked about that in the first half of the program the war did not start on the

1:34:02

24th of February 2022 obviously the war started in

1:34:08

2014 with an illegal unconstitutional

1:34:14

kurar against a democratically elected legitimate president of Ukraine

1:34:22

financed by the United States and Europe and that has to be underlined

1:34:31

everybody has to understand that that this is a war that started 10 years ago

1:34:38

not two years ago and we have to

1:34:43

recognize that the Russians although they felt existentially

1:34:49

threatened that they they tried in good faith to negotiate

1:34:56

for 8 years to try to reach a modus vendi with

1:35:03

the west and the West in its Madness decided that we are

1:35:12

unipolar and we can tell everybody else what to do and uh the world has evolved is not

1:35:23

the world of 1989 1990 1991 and uh a lot of politicians who are

1:35:34

afraid of losing facei and because they’re afraid of losing faith they’re

1:35:40

prepared uh to kill hundreds of thousands of people so that they don’t

1:35:47

lose face instead of saying we make made a

1:35:52

mistake and uh we’ll stop this nonsense

1:35:58

now and we will forget about this absolutely

1:36:03

ridiculous unrealistic uh illusionary

1:36:11

Demento handpoint uh blueprint for peace that shalinsky

1:36:17

has put out I myself put out a 10o uh blueprint for peace which I can send

1:36:24

you then you can disseminate it uh among your friends uh the Chinese put out a 12

1:36:33

point uh peace plan the South Africans put out a 10o peace plan I would

1:36:43

say the Chinese is good the South African is good but uh shalinsky is just

1:36:50

uh Dem itic I mean uh it’s just totally out of the

1:36:56

question uh and um unfortunately New York Times

1:37:02

Washington Post uh Wall Street Journal still deal with shalinsky as a

1:37:09

hero far as I’m concerned uh shalinsky is very

1:37:16

close to being a quisling if you remember vidkun whistling who did the

1:37:24

bidding uh for the Nazis uh in

1:37:29

occupied Norway at the end of the war he was hung as a

1:37:35

traitor on the other hand I say something positive for

1:37:40

quisling uh he by the way was a very famous person before he became uh the

1:37:48

governor uh of occupied uh

1:37:53

Norway he was a close collaborator of Freo nson uh he was a scientist he was an

1:38:01

explorer was a highly educated person and uh he made the

1:38:08

decision risky decision that it was best to have a

1:38:16

Norwegian running Norwegian Affairs and of course

1:38:22

taking instructions uh from Berlin than having a

1:38:28

gaigher uh imposed uh by Berlin who would not understand uh the uh

1:38:36

Norwegians and would just impose a terror regime on Norway I think Norway

1:38:41

survived the war extremely well thanks to vitun uh quand but he was

1:38:49

H uh in France there was another collaborator by the name of Pierre

1:38:56

Laval now uh the main collaborator of course was

1:39:01

Marshall pan but Marshall pan was such a hero of the first world war that the

1:39:09

French did not dare try him and chop his head off so

1:39:16

um instead of trying Marshall patan they tried his prime minister at the time who

1:39:24

was Pier Laval now Pierre Laval was an opportunist it was uh you know a a

1:39:32

classical uh mediocre um mainstream operator not at all an

1:39:42

ideologue I mean it was not someone who was certainly not uh thought like the Nazis thought

1:39:52

um but he did the bidding of the Nazis and at the end of the war he was H uh

1:39:58

again uh I have very little sympathy uh for him because he Bears an enormous

1:40:05

responsibility for the arrival of adol Hitler to power uh he was the man who

1:40:12

single-handedly torpedoed Henrich bruning’s uh Soul

1:40:17

Union with Austria uh that was back in 19 31 when Germany was suffering 6.6

1:40:24

million unemployment and uh it was because of

1:40:29

the uh Wall Street crash of 1929 uh isn’t was in very very bad

1:40:38

economic shape so they decided uh to have a soul Union uh with u Austria

1:40:45

which would have helped matters a lot but since uh that was a Hallmark of the

1:40:51

government of Bruning and Laval brought it to four uh also the government of

1:40:57

Bruning fell and then he was followed by um uh this useless uh Scher General

1:41:04

Scher who was Then followed by this idiot from puppen uh one of these useless

1:41:12

Aristocrats who uh uh he thought they could control Hitler and it was from pin

1:41:18

who con convinced Bor to appoint appoint Hitler was never elected to appoint Hitler as

1:41:28

Chancellor uh so uh here uh the role of

1:41:33

Pier Laval was so devastating uh for Europe that I

1:41:40

although I don’t believe in capital punishment uh I don’t shed a tear uh for

1:41:46

um uh uh P LA and uh going back uh to

1:41:53

the uh situation in Europe today we just

1:41:58

had the uh uh Munich um uh security

1:42:03

conference and which gave every opportunity to the uh uh Widow uh of

1:42:10

navali uh to speak there I believe you probably heard that um the body of

1:42:19

nalni uh has been given to the family of navani uh to his

1:42:25

mother uh and that the uh published results of the

1:42:32

autopsy uh is that he died of a blood plot it came out today now is it true I

1:42:41

don’t know uh was he murdered I doubt it I mean in a situation like that there’s

1:42:49

one question that as a his story I always posed the question that cisero

1:42:54

already posed in his defense of milone uh back

1:43:00

25 50 years ago who

1:43:06

Bon who benefits from all this Putin had nothing to gain from it

1:43:14

zero navali was not a danger to Putin he

1:43:21

was he didn’t he had a very limited following in Russia I mean he was made

1:43:26

into a star in uh Western and American Media

1:43:33

but not in Russia and he would not have posed any

1:43:39

danger to Putin’s power the best thing was to keep him quiet away from Moscow

1:43:47

so he wanted him alive but bottled up and uh killing him was giving the

1:43:57

Western Powers a windfall uh so Putin certainly would not

1:44:02

have ordered his uh elimination uh other people in the

1:44:08

Russian government don’t think so I don’t see the added value whereas

1:44:15

what I do condemn what I do decry is

1:44:22

that no sooner did the Russians publish the news that navali

1:44:30

had died immediately Biden calls him a

1:44:36

murderer and uh the same thing the United Kingdom France Germany just uh

1:44:45

wallowed uh in insults and in accusations and I’m I must say as a

1:44:52

lawyer that I am uh as someone also with

1:44:57

modum of Common Sense uh I would say let’s wait to have some hard facts

1:45:06

before we start mud slinging uh I don’t know what happened

1:45:13

there I mean I have had BL CLS I was in

1:45:18

intensive care for a week I had a very serious uh long embolism

1:45:25

that very easily could have taken me and then I had a second one and after

1:45:30

the second one I’m on uh blood thinners every day I mean until I die I’m a

1:45:38

recidivist uh so I consider that it is possible the

1:45:44

man is in a special prison where conditions are certainly not ideal

1:45:52

and unfortunately for a blood cloth for a long

1:46:00

embolism the symptoms you’re fatigued what else is

1:46:05

new or you’re a little bit of out of breath like if you take this stairs up

1:46:10

and down up and down you’re out of breath is that a symptom that will tell

1:46:16

you that you’re close to death of course not most people say I just lie down and

1:46:23

rest for a while that’s it and then you die tons of people died of blood clots

1:46:31

so it is one possible scenario I’m not saying it’s correct but it’s a possible

1:46:38

scenario it’s um by contrast take the blowing up of

1:46:47

the north stream Pipelines Pono the United States clearly the United States

1:46:55

not only that the United States Biden was stupid enough to announce it that uh you know if Russia invaded uh Ukraine

1:47:04

the um uh pipeline would be no more before that they had done

1:47:11

everything in their power to prevent the completion of the pipeline they put

1:47:17

sanctions on the uh companies that were bu building the uh the pipeline Etc and

1:47:23

even the the great uh um firm here in Switzerland it’s a Swiss firm uh bailed

1:47:31

out because of the U sanctions and then the Russians did it they actually did it

1:47:39

themselves and now we blew them up I have not seen

1:47:45

anything anywhere as close as coherent as

1:47:51

convincing as the report of Seymour hirsh on the blowing up uh of the

1:48:00

um uh of the pipel the United States had the motive it had the

1:48:07

capacity it could hide it well at the time of the big NATO exercises uh in the

1:48:15

Baltic so every finger points at the United States yeah and in fact early on

1:48:21

shout out to my regular guest on geopolitics Vietnam veteran Bob moriarti

1:48:27

um early on he said it was the CIA he flew 800 sorties in Vietnam he’s he’s

1:48:32

living in France now and I think Putin and the Carlson interview said it was um the CIA and you know we talked about

1:48:39

aange naalii you know Gonzalo L who I interviewed on the on this podcast less

1:48:44

than two years ago Chilean American died under suspicious circumstances um in in

1:48:50

in Ukraine and um Professor this has been a a a master class uh you know the

1:48:56

kind you get at Geneva School of diplomacy if people want more sign up to be a student get a bachelor’s or

1:49:01

master’s degree at Geneva School of of diplomacy we’ we’ve covered the

1:49:07

Waterfront um and you know you know this is the kind of stuff I get from from you as a student ctis dobler and other great

1:49:14

professors maybe who would prefer to remain uh unnamed I won’t name them but

1:49:19

uh I missed mentioning Curtis he’s a friend and I admire Curtis dubler so

1:49:27

much he has so much courage I cited him several times in the human rights

1:49:32

industry and I must say I had lunch with him the other day I I think very highly

1:49:38

of him of his work of his books and uh he’s very hardworking huh and um he is a

1:49:45

man of Ethics he’s a man with a moral compa and when I talk about moral compass here

1:49:53

is another man with a moral compass JY

1:49:59

Carter this is a book uh that he gave me when I went to visit him in uh the

1:50:05

Carter Center I spent a week there and had the opportunity of speaking with him

1:50:11

and with his late wife uh uh Roseline and

1:50:16

um we can have peace in the Holy Land very good book then he has another one

1:50:22

that I like a lot which is uh our endangered

1:50:27

values and it’s that’s what it’s it the Europeans talked about European values

1:50:32

what value they have betrayed them all and Jimmy Carter is warning us that

1:50:40

if we continue doing the things we’re doing our values are out the

1:50:48

window and uh one one more uh book to

1:50:53

bring to the attention of your readers and your viewers Frederick

1:51:00

heerma the real Nobel Peace Prize a squandered opportunity to

1:51:07

abolish War he analyzes the last willing Testament of

1:51:14

uh Alfred Noble the creation of the Noble Peace Prize the first recipients

1:51:22

like of course AR duno the founder of the international Committee of the Red

1:51:28

Cross like Berta vonner uh the uh German uh author and

1:51:36

peace activist um and this book impressed me a great

1:51:42

deal because it’s very systematic and it goes through uh all the

1:51:50

recipients uh of the Nobel Peace Prize since the beginning and he makes a very Thal

1:51:58

criticism especially when the peace price went to people who did not deserve

1:52:05

them because it had done zero for peace as a matter of fact the

1:52:12

price has gone to warong Obama the price has gone to so

1:52:18

many undis serving individuals so that if

1:52:26

anyone uh nominates you to the Nobel Peace

1:52:34

Prize you know that your chance is like zero

1:52:40

because in the last few years it has only gone

1:52:46

to persons who have served the in interests of Washington and

1:52:52

Brussels not always not always politicians also journalists uh who have shall we say

1:53:03

undermined uh the peace initiatives uh of the United Nations and

1:53:11

who actually have contributed to this culture of

1:53:16

hatred because uh why is it that we are supposed to hate the Russians why are we

1:53:24

supposed to hate the Chinese uh there’s a wonderful passage

1:53:31

in erish Maria remarks uh book All Quiet on the Western

1:53:37

Front where the little German Soldier Paul

1:53:43

Boer uh goes back home and he sees a prisoner War Camp full of

1:53:52

Russians and he says all these kids you know they’re just like me I mean uh

1:53:59

they’re you know they’re playing ball they’re doing things it says why am I

1:54:04

supposed to hate these people and then the the most moving uh most

1:54:12

revealing uh moment is uh when he jumps in the trench and white kner

1:54:18

automatically stabs uh the young uh Frenchman in the

1:54:24

trench and then he realizes what he’s done and you know sometimes when I think of it he holds him in his arms until he

1:54:32

dies it’s it’s it’s a breathtaking moment because he realizes the absurdity

1:54:40

of this war there’s no reason whatever a German boy should be fighting a Russian

1:54:46

boy or a um French boy it’s just the idiots the

1:54:52

politicians uh who who have just first lied to them indoctrinated them uh and

1:55:00

then sent them into the meat gr and um there’s

1:55:06

also Poetic Justice at the end um there’s no

1:55:13

hope and it ends when he falls

1:55:22

killed just before the end of the war and when they turn him

1:55:28

over he’s smiling he’s been

1:55:34

released the madness is behind him he’s dead but it’s over I mean and the sad

1:55:44

thing is here you have a book a great book did not prevent the Second World War

1:55:50

then you have George Orwell which is 1984 he has not prevented us from

1:55:57

creating our own totalitarian dystopia we’re living exactly what

1:56:04

George Orwell predicted and our pundits in the

1:56:10

Heritage Foundation in the trilateral Commission in the Council of Foreign

1:56:16

Relations keep going straight to apocalypse they’re

1:56:22

blind and I must say I am practicing Catholic I never give up hope I do pray

1:56:31

uh for uh peace in the world for peace and reconciliation but if you want to

1:56:37

have reconciliation you must have the capacity to understand the other guy you

1:56:44

must have the capacity to put yourself in his or her skin to

1:56:51

put yourself in his or her situation and

1:56:57

decide why are we fighting this why don’t we just sit down basically we have

1:57:04

99% in common we both like to eat well

1:57:09

to sleep well to have our families and our kids and our grandchildren and we

1:57:15

want to play and we like sports Etc we have almost everything in common and then because of an idea or an

1:57:23

ideology uh that we are going to kill young people I mean it it it is

1:57:29

breathtaking breathtakingly stupid what we have been doing and as I say I hope

1:57:35

that uh the Good Sense uh of uh Jimmy Carter uh will eventually win the day in

1:57:44

Gaza I mean his program uh Palestine he

1:57:49

uh not apartheid uh impressed me a lot when I read it and

1:57:57

uh I hope that the international court of justice will vindicate what Jimmy

1:58:02

Carter uh says there both in the advisory opinion and the last day of

1:58:09

hearings was today with regard to The Advisory opinion on aparte in uh in the

1:58:16

occupied territories and certainly uh the genocide case which is far more

1:58:23

important I recapitulate it is not only uh Israel that is committing genocide

1:58:29

the United States and Europe and all countries that are delivering weapons uh

1:58:35

to Israel and facilitating the genocide are complicit in the genocide article 3

1:58:43

paragraph uh e and pursu on to article nine every country can send it up to the

1:58:54

international court of justice for an immediate examination

1:58:59

of the question is the United States complicit in genocide is France complicit in

1:59:07

genocide is Germany complicit in genocide and I do not see the international court of justice answering

1:59:14

anything else but yes they are complicit Professor it’s I I love how as

1:59:21

the years go by you become more outspoken uh and so keep up doing keep

1:59:26

doing the work that you’re doing um people can find uh more of your work of

1:59:32

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1:59:38

blog the link is in the description and they can human rights corner and they can become a student at Geneva School of

1:59:45

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Geure herriari, Euskal Herriari dagokionez, hona hemen gure apustu bakarra:

We Basques do need a real Basque independent State in the Western Pyrenees, just a democratic lay or secular state, with all the formal characteristics of any independent State: Central Bank, Treasury, proper currency¹, out of the European Distopia and faraway from NATO, being a BRICS partner…

Ikus Euskal Herriaren independentzia eta Mikel Torka

eta

Esadazu arren, zer da gu euskaldunok egiten ari garena eta zer egingo dugun

gehi

MTM: Zipriztinak (2), 2025: Warren Mosler

(Pinturak: Mikel Torka)

Gehigarriak:

Zuk ez dakizu ezer Ekonomiaz

MTM klase borrokarik gabe, kontabilitate hutsa da

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