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British Australian Doctor REVEALS TRUTH from Gaza

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKdUap-vpZM)

British-Australian doctor Mohammed Mustafa embarked on a harrowing journey into the heart of Gaza, volunteering at the last fully operational hospital in Gaza City. With bombs falling around him and resources running dry, he treated patients under unimaginable conditions — from children injured in drone strikes to men taking their final breaths on blood-stained floors.

In this powerful interview, Malaz Majanni from OnePath Network speaks to Dr Mustafa about what he witnessed on the ground, the moral weight of staying behind while others fled, and his urgent message to Australia’s political leaders in the face of one of the world’s worst humanitarian catastrophes.

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction

01:21 – What was the drive behind your decision to go to Gaza?

03:06 – How did your family and friends react to your decision?

03:53 – What was your first day like in Gaza?

07:08 – Did you fear you wouldn’t make it out alive?

08:07 – What were the conditions like working inside the hospital?

10:21 – How do you respond to Israel’s denial of targeting civilians?

13:24 – What was the psychological state of the children?

14:37 – What was the state of starvation in Gaza like?

18:21 – Did you receive any support from the Australian Government?

21:49 – Do you have a message for the Australian Prime Minister?

25:30 – Where does accountability and justice begin?

26:42 – How has your transition been like back into Australia?

29:10 – Commenting on the video that went viral from Gaza?

Transkripzioa:

Introduction

0:01

when you see them on the screen is one thing but when you see them in reality it’s very very different when you’re there there’s no rules there’s no rules

0:08

in the hospital blown up the Turkish hospital the cancer hospital then they bombed NASA hospital and killed patients

0:14

then they bombed the UN safe house and killed international aid workers then they executed the paramedics then they

0:20

bombed the hospital that I was in this is all while we’re there all of these factors they strike your heart and you

0:26

begin to realize that I could die here i really could die right here you know even as a grown man I was shaking the

0:33

first few times that I saw children with their heads missing when the mother comes in and the father and they start

0:39

crying and then they’re picking up the body and hugging it I’m just there i’m thinking what what what am I this is

0:46

like a horror film and I got into an ambulance with one of the paramedics this was about 3 days after they found

0:51

the bodies of those paramedics that had been executed and I said to him I said to him “You’re not scared you know cuz

0:57

you’re a paramedic.” And he said I was the one that collected their bodies and I said “What was that like you know

1:02

you’re not scared that that’ll be you one day.” And he just said to me “Uh you know we’re already dead.” He said “We’re

1:09

already dead here.” Dr muhammad Mustafa thank you for for being with us uh you’ve been to Gaza twice

1:16

what was the moment the turning point that made you decide I have to go to

1:23

you know where do you want to start you want to start from the human point of view the religious point of view you

1:29

know for me watching so many children crying and limbs blown off and starvation and and

1:38

the destruction I wanted to do more than just speak i wanted I wanted to put actions i wanted to put words into

1:44

actions so that’s why I wanted to go but um going into saying you want to go into

1:50

are two different things you know talking the talk and walking the walk are very different because you know when I was applying I felt okay but as soon

1:59

as I had someone say to me right you’re going into that’s it it all changed because

2:05

then the reality of oh oh actually I am going into I could die going into now I

2:11

need to prepare the next phase you know of of talking to my mother getting permission off her you know to go into

2:18

before I go in um preparing ing all the passwords and giving them to my financial advisor and my dad and you

2:25

know um writing a will all of these things then became a reality and then the more I did that the more it hit home

2:31

you know what I And then when you go into Jordan from Jordan into Israel

2:37

Israel into Razi and you go through the military checkpoints and then when you get to Raz you know you have to pick up

2:44

your bags and you have to walk into Raz on the border to go to the car that’s waiting to take you into and you’re

2:51

walking through the military security checkpoint so then you walk between the tanks and the soldiers as you have to

2:58

walk carrying your bags into and then it becomes it becomes real at that stage

3:04

how did how did your your family and friends take it i mean what was the conversation that you had with your mother

3:11

it was a difficult conversation um you know I said to I said to her mama um I’m

3:16

going to Gaza in 5 days that’s when I got the notice that I was going to and she started

3:24

crying and I couldn’t understand what she was saying cuz she was crying so much but she said “Let me call you

3:29

back.” And you know 15 minutes passed and she called me back and she said to me “Uh,” which is the name that she

3:37

calls me she said “Death is in the hands of Allah it’s not in the hands of Israel so I’m going to leave you in the hands

3:43

of Allah.” No yeah and yeah she said “I’m not going to I’m not going to stand

3:48

in the way of your reward for doing this i know this is something you’ve always wanted to do so just go.” Can you

3:54

describe to us I mean you’ve walked past the tanks carrying your stuff what was your first day like you know as

4:00

soon as we got into that minibus the first time in June and we went in it was at the height of the war and there was

4:06

little food and there was literally the first 500 meters there was dogs eating

4:13

bodies on the floor and I remember just thinking literally 500 meters away

4:18

there’s forests and greenery and you know farms just outside and they look so

4:24

beautiful and then literally 500 m in and you have dogs eating humans the

4:30

contrast was just startling and when we arrived to the

4:36

hospital this was in June the first time that I went we had a mass casualty event

4:41

and it was everyone that arrived was dead so you know we went and helped them

4:47

carry the bodies this was literally the first 5 minutes I arrived in the hospital carrying the plastic bags of bodies there was a whole family and I

4:54

remember just thinking how confronting this is because when you see when you see them on the screen is one thing but when you see them in reality it’s very

5:01

very different you smell the burning you know from the the flesh and the the

5:08

clothes have burnt into the flesh you you

5:13

smell that the smell sticks in your nose when you see children with their

5:21

brains hanging out and you have to scoop part of their brain back in and

5:29

wrap wrap up their head because you because the parents are about to come see the child and you want to try and

5:35

give them a little bit of dignity it it changes your perspective it it really hits home because you you sense you feel

5:42

this fear because you see this human so mutilated and and and and you know you

5:49

begin to get scared of like the pain that this person must have been through the burns the limb half missing the

5:56

brain hanging out and it really hits home that like you know they say there’s no winners in war but when you see

6:03

children this mutilated it’s confronting and it’s very scary you know even as a

6:08

grown man I was I’m like my hand was shaking the first few times that I saw children with their heads missing

6:15

because you have to pick up the body you know to put it in the plastic bag when you pick up this 2-year-old’s body and

6:22

the head’s missing it’s very different holding it feeling the

6:27

weight the blood dripping down the intestines hanging out and you know that’s a human being and then when when

6:34

the mother comes in and the father and they start crying and then they’re picking up the body and hugging it and

6:40

you just you know I’m I’m just there i’m thinking what what what am I this is like a horror film that they’re hugging

6:47

a a a a headless corpse child you know these things are really

6:53

really confronting and you have to be there to

6:58

experience this this level of of

7:05

this just this level of death something else did you fear for your own life that you wouldn’t be able to make it out

7:11

alive from Gaza you know they bombed the hospitals when we were there the second time round when

7:17

I was there um the hospitals were being bombed we had like another mass casualty event from within the hospital when the

7:23

hospitals bombed we had people from within the hospital coming into the emergency department there was times where I thought you know this was it

7:30

there was plenty of times I called my mother and told her to forgive me if I ever let her down you know it was really

7:37

confronting but I I’d gone

7:43

in the thing that I was most scared about was my intention was my nar i

7:48

would always keep saying Allah I don’t mind whatever the outcome is but just make sure that my intention is pure here

7:56

because as long as my intention is pure I’m in Gaz it’s Ramadan i’m with the most blessed people ever it It’s all

8:02

good i just want my intention to be good that was the only thing that I really feared subhan Allah what What were the

8:07

conditions like working within the hospitals and how do you compare the first trip to the second trip so you know the

8:16

hospitals there’s no thermometer uh especially in the north when I was in the north there’s not a single ventilator in the emergency

8:22

department there is um no there’s one working blood pressure

8:28

cuff and monitor there’s one ECG machine the beds the wheels are broken so you

8:34

can’t really move people too much there’s no the suctioning device is this

8:39

small suctioning device and when you have people come in and

8:44

they’re coughing up blood and you’re trying to incubate them and put a tube down their throat this small suction it

8:49

doesn’t even suck up blood so we ended up you know just putting our hands in and scooping blood out of out of their

8:55

mouths to try and see where the vocal cords are just so we can get a tube in

9:01

so you know the lack of medical equipment was yeah was was a big was a big issue the difference between this

9:07

time around and the other time around the presentations that we would see the first time I was there we were at the

9:13

height of the war where there’d been 9 months of like starvation of you know maybe 50 trucks a day 100 trucks a day

9:19

so we used to see a lot of children coming in starving to death especially

9:25

you know kids that have you know maybe they they have cerebral pausy or things like that where they struggle anyway

9:30

with food and we would see them so coexically thin like skin and bones and

9:36

they would just come in and they would already essentially be dead they’re just waiting to die and there’s nothing that you could offer them because there was

9:41

no painkillers or anything like that all you could do was just comfort the family you couldn’t even comfort the child they

9:47

just had to comfort the family through this death while they would watch their child die and this time round the

9:54

intensity of the bombing was way more this time around since the resumption of the war than last time you know there

10:02

were some days where we had no work some days everybody that arrived to the hospital was

10:07

dead melted bodies you couldn’t even tell what was somebody’s leg and what

10:12

was somebody’s arm it was just disintegrated yeah so yeah there’s a

10:20

there’s Yeah you know um Israel continuously denies

10:26

that they are targeting civilians a lot of their coverage having been on the ground what was your experience like

10:32

with the casualties with the patients were they civilians so you know when the

10:38

ceasefire was ex I arrived during the ceasefire the second time around before it broke and we used to see children

10:44

with single gunshot wounds to the head gunshot wounds to the neck and when we

10:52

would scan the the head it would be the bullet would be a trajectory of downwards and it’s from the drones up

10:58

above and they would shoot and it would hit the child directly in the head and

11:03

this would be at night when they’d be sleeping in their tents it would come down and it would shoot them sometimes

11:08

it would be when a family would walk would be walking through the markets and it would be the youngest child that was

11:14

targeted from all the family just one bullet to the youngest child to their head that’s what we used to see that was

11:20

the stories that they used to tell us you know when they’d come into the hospital they would say we were just walking and my other kids one shot to

11:28

this child so that was before the ceasefire broke we were seeing that and then after the

11:34

ceasefire broke there was even a UN report of over like 30 30 missile strikes that just had

11:43

women and children casualties and the majority of people that we saw were women and children the majority of the

11:48

casualties were just the women and children civilians civilians yeah i remember when there was a man and we

11:54

picked him up and we put him on the bed and I got my pocket ultrasound and I was scanning his chest and I found that his

12:02

chest was filled with blood so I got my knife and I cut through his chest to try and get a chest tube in and while I was

12:08

doing that a someone grabbed my leg and it was a woman and I looked down and she

12:15

was reaching out to me and she was saying and her face was burnt as well she had a severed leg and you know I’m in the middle of

12:24

cutting this guy’s lungs open his chest open so I’m like “Right I need to secure the tube and then I’ll I’ll see her.”

12:31

And as I’m securing the tube and tying it up she’s still holding my ankle but I look down and she’s bled to death on the

12:38

floor she bled to death holding my ankle and every day I think about that

12:45

woman every day I think that I let her down because I chose to help him and

12:51

leave [Music] her and I have to live with that i have

12:57

to live with that guilt every day and a lot of people will say it’s not your fault and you did your best and but when

13:05

you make a decision like that you know what I mean i I chose not to help her

13:10

and to help him and these are the decisions that have to haunt you for the rest of your life when you go

13:16

there so may Allah forgive me sometimes for for the decisions I have to make when I was

13:22

there subhan Allah i mean with with a lot of the patients that you saw and treated what was especially the children

13:29

what was the psychological state like of those that survived you know I remember

13:35

walking through the wards at night and you would hear screams and it

13:42

was children screaming PTSD just frightened i walked into a room once and

13:48

it was very warm so I opened the window because the drones are always in the sky

13:54

you hear them the buzzing of the drones this child just jumped under the bed and

14:00

I asked what what’s wrong and he said that you know a drone had gone in and it

14:06

had released a grenade and it killed his brother in front of him and his mother in front of him as well and it left him

14:14

with very severe burns on his face um and it burned his hands and face and ever since then he’s scared of the

14:20

window and if the window’s open he can’t stay in the room if the window’s open so there’s a real psychological trauma to a

14:27

lot of these children subhan Allah i mean the um the United

14:32

Nations has accused Israel of having a targeted starvation campaign as a doctor on the ground dealing with patients and

14:40

survivors what was that like did you see any starvation what was the situation like so like I say the first time around

14:45

when I was there there was so much starvation this time round people had had food for 40

14:50

days but um even then you know when I was there towards the the final couple of weeks which you know had been about 4

14:57

weeks of the blockade we were down to one hot meal a day and I remember this one this one is

15:03

it where this woman had given me some bread and some cheese to take on my last

15:08

day you know when I was leaving cuz the journey sometimes takes 12 hours to go from Gaza back to Jordan because of all

15:14

the security checks so she gave me some bread and cheese and she went “Oh this is so you can make some sandwiches so

15:20

you’re not hungry.” And I remember saying to her I said “They’re not even allowing food into how do you want me to

15:26

take food out of Lea?” That was their generosity you know

15:32

she was like in doctor and you know you’re a doctor and you’ve helped us and you know the least we can do is feed you

15:39

i was thinking I’m going to Jordan when I get there there’ll be sharma there’ll be there’ll be tropical there’ll be

15:46

everything that I want you keep the the the you keep the the bread and the

15:51

cheese but I remember just thinking to myself subhan Allah like they were willing to give me food as I was leaving

15:59

what was it like dealing with the with the people of you

16:06

know you learn you learn something new every day with them

16:11

um you know when I was in Raz I would always make sure that I was praying my prayers on time because you don’t know

16:18

when death’s going to come and I didn’t want to I didn’t want to you know delay a prayer knowing that

16:25

something could happen and and meet Allah having missed the prayer so I would always pray my prayers on time but

16:31

the thing that that drove me to pray my prayers on time was fear of death

16:39

but when I went and I got into an ambulance with one of the paramedics and you know he p he saw me

16:47

on the street walking to work from the safe house and he saw that you know I had my Australia flag and my British

16:53

flag on my thing and my stethoscope so he said doctor when are you doctor where you going i said oh I’m going to the

16:59

hospital and he said well let me take give you a ride so this was about 3 days after they found the bodies of those

17:05

paramedics that had been executed i said to him I said to him “Well you’re not scared you know because

17:11

you’re a paramedic.” And he said “I was the one that collected their bodies.” And I said “What was that like?” And I

17:17

said “You know all this time you know you’re not scared that that’ll be you one day.” And he just said to me

17:23

“You know we’re already dead.” He said “We’re already dead here.” He goes “We’re already dead it’s just a matter

17:30

of when Allah chooses for us.” And he was just happy

17:35

and I remember thinking to myself there I was doing this out of fear and he was

17:40

doing this out of he was happy with the will of Allah

17:45

whatever it was he wasn’t praying because of fear he was praying because you know he was happy with Allah and he

17:51

was content i remember thinking to myself wow I thought I was you know getting up for every day praying all my

17:58

and you know cuz I was praying the I was like yeah I’m good i’m I’m doing but I was doing that out of fear

18:05

was a driving factor but for him he was like we’re already dead you know we’re dead but you

18:12

know we just have to Allah whatever Allah’s plan is we’re happy with and that for me was a real teaching

18:19

moment subhan Allah you mentioned the um Australian and the British flag did you

18:24

receive any support from the Australian government or the British government during your time inside

18:30

um you know we reached out to the Australian government because when we were scared you know that something was

18:36

going to happen but we didn’t really hear back and uh we didn’t even reach out to

18:42

the British government to be honest so Australian government is probably a bit better than the than the British government but

18:50

um you know when you’re there there’s no rules there’s no rules in Gaza you know

18:56

when we were there the hospital was blown up the Turkish hospital the only cancer hospital then they bombed NASA

19:01

hospital and killed patients and blew and you know destroyed the surgical unit then they um bombed the UN safe house

19:08

and killed international aid workers then they executed the paramedics this is all while we’re there then they

19:14

bombed the hospital that I was in and you just got this sense that there’s And then you know you’d have days where

19:20

everyone would arrive they’d be dead and the the ferocity of the bombing was just that intense and you know you’d get

19:28

yourself into this state where you were just like I don’t even know if I’m going to make it out here we’ve got

19:33

international aid workers dying hospitals being blown up paramedics being executed um you know we’re sending

19:40

out emails and calls to get people to you know realize or talk to us and we’re getting nothing back and that’s that’s

19:47

when it makes it really real and you know when you see death you know and you see these violently mutilated bodies

19:53

from these missiles all of these factors they strike your heart and you

19:58

you know you begin to realize that that I could die here i really could die right here

20:05

um but I just kept telling myself like I’m here to to help and I’ve already

20:12

accepted whatever fate comes my way and I’ve just got to focus on the mission and the mission is is is to help those

20:18

children with the Australian federal election around the corner what would be your message to the Australian prime

20:23

minister and the foreign minister having been in Kaza

20:32

it’s it’s it’s it’s difficult because I know everybody knows the truth about what’s going on they’re probably more

20:39

informed than we are about the death and destruction i think there are a lot of

20:46

elements outside of our control and outside of their control of what they can do but I feel like we should be

20:52

honest about how we frame this palestinian children don’t

20:58

die they’re slaughtered they’re

21:07

targeted cutting off food water and electricity is a war crime it’s not

21:12

pressure on the other side it’s a war crime on the other side and if we’re not

21:17

honest about it we can never change it because if I’m telling you that 2 + 2 is 4 and you’re telling me it’s five how do

21:24

we how do we solve the problem we’ve got to be honest and I

21:29

think just being honest can really bridge the gaps between

21:36

communities if I at least can acknowledge your pain and and tell you that yep this is what’s happening is

21:42

happening it reinforces you know you’re not being gaslit which is the uh the word everyone likes to use but we need

21:49

to stop being gaslit essentially do you have a specific message for the prime minister um sit down and talk to me

21:57

sit down talk to me you know talk with an Australian aid worker that went there

22:02

we had an Australian aid worker that was killed Zomi she was killed for the crime of feeding children and nothing’s

22:11

happened for that so we have Australians that have died in

22:16

uh aid workers that died i’m an aid worker i want to sit down with him i’m

22:21

you know I’m also Muslim as well i’m Arabic as well let’s talk about how we bridge the gap

22:27

in our community because at the end of the day I need the prime minister on my side if I need to make a change people

22:34

want to attack and people want to say he needs to do more or he’s not using enough words of condemnation and this

22:41

that and the other but when you’ve been to and you’ve seen the death and destruction I don’t even want to

22:47

criticize anymore i just want to say help just help me even even if you can

22:53

bring in just just one cup of water the the the

22:59

destruction and the devastation to these people even even a a lollipop for a

23:06

child I’ll take it i’ll take it just to relieve just an inch of suffering in Gaza i don’t care about the politics of

23:12

it i don’t care about whether you you know whether you do sanctions or I don’t

23:18

I don’t care i just want to help whatever that is and I need them on my

23:23

side so I’m trying not to criticize anyone or anything i’m not trying to criticize I’m not even trying to criticize the other side i just want

23:30

people to be more unified in humanizing these people you know there was an

23:35

incident that really affected the way that I thought about this whole this

23:40

whole um this whole conflict and it was when a man had come in on a donkey cart

23:46

with his children that had just been hit by a missile strike and when we opened the blankets like one of his children

23:52

had a missing head the other one had a severed arm and she was bleeding out to death and he was screaming for help and

23:58

this donkey began to urinate because it was I don’t know whether it was just

24:03

scared of all the the talking but it looked it looked disorientated and then it when it urinated the urine covered

24:10

these children in urine and I remember thinking to myself subhan Allah look how

24:16

humiliated this man must feel for months he’s been living in a tent he’s been begging for food for his children and

24:23

then look at the way that his children have been killed and then when he comes to try and get help for them and they’re

24:29

dying and bleeding out to death an animal urinates over

24:34

them what does that do to him and when people talk about we need to do

24:40

this I just want that not to happen i just don’t want that to happen okay we

24:46

can talk about everything else later but I want that to stop cuz that no one should be humiliated like that no one

24:52

should watch their children be you know essentially defecated on and and dogs eating eating humans

25:00

eating those people on the streets that’s what’s happening that’s the reality and and and and people can get

25:06

caught up in words and politics and boycott and this that and the other but the reality is is we need to humanize

25:13

these people again we need to give them dignity again if you can give me a blanket you can give me uh uh uh some

25:21

food you can give me some medicine I’ll take it i’ll take whatever you’re giving because the situation is so desperate

25:27

right now in Gaza subhan Allah must be um heartbreaking some of the horror the horrors that you

25:34

you’ve witnessed there i mean from your perspective having seen what’s gone on

25:39

on the ground where does accountability begin how do we what’s the road to justice

25:45

well the ultimate justice is with Allah you know that’s the ultimate justice i don’t think there can ever be justice for what happened in not from what I’ve

25:53

seen but I think you know if we can’t change you know things

26:01

with our hands we change it with our mouths and if we can’t then it’s with our hearts

26:06

and one thing that I learned when I was over there was I need to be better Muslim you know I need to be a better

26:13

Muslim and I think that’s one thing that we can all take cuz once we once we correct ourselves Allah will

26:20

correct the rest and I know that might sound like a you know one of those

26:26

or like a bit of a flimsy answer but I think it’s the truth because they never would have been in that position if we

26:32

were all unified and we stood up for them and we never let them be in that position

26:40

now that I mean you’ve been to Gaza twice and now you’re back in Australia what’s the transition been like for you

26:46

i I I really haven’t slept very much since coming back because I’ve been trying to do raise as much awareness of

26:54

what’s going on in Gaza and the reason is is because I’ve just you know when you leave when I was

27:01

leaving there were children in tents that had brain injuries from buildings

27:07

falling on them and they were slipping in and out of consciousness and they had skull

27:12

fractures and there was many of them like this and they’re in a tent sometimes on their own cuz their

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whole family was dead and they’re slipping in and out of consciousness we can’t even monitor their breathing we

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can’t even monitor their blood pressure the whole time while they’re in this tent and I know if I

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rest more and more of them are going to die in those tents so that’s why I’m

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just doing as much as I can while I’m back you know there is one part of it where I’m there helping but the other

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part of it is is I need to get something i need to get something for these people i need to do something for these people

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if I can just move the conversation a little bit this way if I can get a little bit of extra aid in this way but

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we’ve got to tell their story i’ve got to try and humanize these people again to the wider audience and that includes

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our community as well you know there’s a lot of faults that our community has made as well you know when Zomi died the

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Muslim community didn’t rally around her family and we should have you know she was out there feeding Muslim children

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and she died feeding Muslim children there’s a lot of Muslims that wouldn’t have made the sacrifice that she made

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and we left her and her family that upsets me you know so we’re not perfect

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in this either you know we’re not the perfect victims either there’s a lot of mistakes that we made as well and we need

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to we all need to work together we need to come together we need to unify

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because when I tell you it’s you know people say on the day of

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judgment they won’t have any tad they won’t there won’t there won’t be any there won’t be any recourse for

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those people in Gaza you know it’ll be an easy day for them and you can understand why when you go there

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because it is uh everywhere you look there’s death and destruction and pain

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and suffering there was a video of yourself that went quite viral uh when you were describing

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the situation in one of the hospitals dressed in green and people around the world has had seen that what did that

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moment feel like for you i think when I was filming it I you know cuz I opened up my social media uh I like to be

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private you know as I got older in life but I opened up my social media when I went into it part of it was to raise

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funds on my GoFundMe because I was bringing in medical equipment and I was doing some projects on the ground so I

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was just documenting you know what I was doing and the mission and you know this time I just picked up

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the camera and I was just like I can’t believe what’s happened and and you know I’m in I’m alone here at the hospital

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i’ve just left the emergency department after like 10 11 hours of just constantly i was

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exhausted and I wanted to say like what was on my heart i didn’t know who to speak to you know i

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wanted to cry i was scared and I just picked up the phone and I just you know

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recorded and talked about what happened that night and I went to sleep for like

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3 hours and went back down to the emergency department and I had a look on

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my phone and like there was just thousands of messages and I was thinking

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what’s going on does do people think I’m dead or something like that like what’s happening and it just you know it just the video had went viral and celebrities

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were sharing it around the world and you know big big pages on social media it made news headlines there was an MP here

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in Australia who quoted the video and was crying while she was talking in in

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in a parliamentary house i was just shocked at like the response

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for it and you know since then there’s been an outpouring of

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um a lot of love and a lot of support but and then I thought to myself

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well I’ve got to use this support and love and try and get something tangible out of it you know I opened up my social

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media to raise awareness and this wasn’t the intention but here we are and then

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since then I’ve been like “Right I’ve got the ball run with it see what we can do.” May Allah allow you to be a person

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of of impact and change if I can ask you Dr muhammad um your experience in how

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has that changed you as a man [Music]

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um I want to think hopefully a better person but

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um I think there’s going to be a lot of things that I’m going to have to deal with privately you know after this and

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that’s going to be the hard thing and I think the only way that I can really deal with it is knowing that I made a change but I think

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uh you know I think there’s a lot of damage it’s probably happened to me

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mentally but I also think I’ve been liberated spiritually from this you know

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when you’ve seen death so many times and you’ve seen how how

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how evil it is and how bad it could

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be everything seems okay you know uh people cut me in line people you know

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make death threat it just doesn’t mean anything anymore you know when you’ve seen that alhamdulillah I’m grateful for

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everything in life may Allah reward all your efforts and you know the reminder for us is that as

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Allahh tells us whoever does an atom’s word of good shall see it so nothing goes unnoticed with

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Allahh for your time may Allah bless your efforts and make you an agent of change thank you so much for having me

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thank you for your time thank you

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Geure herriari, Euskal Herriari dagokionez, hona hemen gure apustu bakarra:

We Basques do need a real Basque independent State in the Western Pyrenees, just a democratic lay or secular state, with all the formal characteristics of any independent State: Central Bank, Treasury, proper currency¹, out of the European Distopia and faraway from NATO, maybe being a BRICS partner…

Ikus Euskal Herriaren independentzia eta Mikel Torka

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