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Palestinian Director Basel Adra: As “No Other Land” Gets Oscar Nod, Israel Attacks West Bank

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqfnv9fCNC4)

The Israeli-Palestinian film No Other Land is nominated for an Oscar for best documentary at this year’s awards, to be held March 2. It follows the struggles of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank community of Masafer Yatta to stay on their land amid violent attacks by Jewish settlers aimed at expelling them. Since the film’s nomination was announced in January, that violence has continued, with co-director Basel Adra sharing video on social media of settlers rampaging through the village under the protection of Israeli soldiers. Adra, who joins us from London, says the goal of the documentary was not just winning awards but “to get to the people’s hearts” through film. “We want people to see the reality, to see what’s going on in my community Masafer Yatta but [also] in all the West Bank.”

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the waren peace report I’m Amy Goodman

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with Juan Gonzalez we turn now to the

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occupied West Bank where Israel’s

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reportedly planning to build nearly a

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thousand new settler homes in the afrat

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settlement near Jerusalem the Israeli

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settlements are illegal under

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international law the group Shalom MAV

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peace now condemned the move saying the

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Netanyahu government is trying quote to

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establish facts on the ground that’ll

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destroy the chance for peace and

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compromise end quot this comes as

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Israel’s ongoing military operations in

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West Bank have displaced at least

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45,000 Palestinians the most since the

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67 War today the Oscar nominated

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Palestinian director Basel Adra shared

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video from the occupied West Bank of

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Israeli forces storming and demolishing

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four houses in massafra AATA

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earlier this month Basel Adra himself

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filmed armed and masked Israeli settlers

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attacking his community of masafa yata

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the settlers threw Stones smash Vehicles

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slash tires punctured a water tank

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Israeli soldiers on the scene did not

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intervene to Halt the crimes Basel

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adra’s Oscar nominated documentary no

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other land is about Israel’s Mass

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expulsion of Palestinians living in

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masafat in another post last week vassel

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wrote quote anyone who cared about no

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other land should care about what’s

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actually happening on the ground today

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our water tanks nine homes three ancient

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caves were destroyed maaf at is

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disappearing in front of my eyes only

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one name for these actions ethnic

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cleansing he said in a minute vasal

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ladra will join us for an update but

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first we want to play the trailer from

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his Oscar nominated documentary no other

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land thousand Palestinians face one of

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the single biggest expulsion decisions

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since the Israeli occupation of the

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Palestinian territories began

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[Laughter]

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spee

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[Music]

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this is what’s happening in my village

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now soldiers are everywhere

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[Music]

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what

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the that’s the trailer for the Oscar

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nominated documentary no other Land

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co-directed by the Israeli journalist

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yal Abraham and our next guest by badra

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Palestinian activist and journalist who

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writes for 972 magazine his most recent

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piece headlined our film is going to the

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Oscars but here in masafat we’re still

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being erased Basel has spent years

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documenting Israeli efforts to evict

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Palestinians living in his community

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masaf yata south of Hebron Basel welcome

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back to democracy now if you can talk

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about your film and also what’s

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happening right now this is not a film

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about history it’s on the ground now you

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recently were barricaded In Your House

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filming what was going on what the

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Israeli settlers were

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doing thank you for having me H yeah our

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movie we worked in it for the last 5

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years we are four people two Israelis

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and two Palestinians Me Myself yal and

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Rachel and hamdan who’s my friend and

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living in

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masaf uh we are just activists and

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journalists and uh me and my friend

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hamdan spent years in the field uh

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running after bulldozers soldiers and

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settlers and in our communities and

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communities around us filming the

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destruction the home destructions the

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school destructions the uh cutting of

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our water pipes and this the bulldozing

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of our roads and our own schools and

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trying to raise awareness from uh the

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International Community on what’s going

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on to get in political impact to try to

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stop this from uh from happening and to

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protect our community and 5 years ago

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yal and Rachel joined as a Israel

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journalist uh to to write about what’s

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happening and then we decided together

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that we will start working on no other

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land as documentary that show the whole

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political uh story through personal uh

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individual stories of people who lost

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lost their life and homes and school and

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properities on this like uh in the last

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years and also in the Decades of of the

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occupation we released the movie in the

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Berlin alley

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202 4 last year the festival and so far

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it have been like doing in and screened

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and showed like in many festivals around

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the

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world and Basel your film has received

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an Oscar nomination but you haven’t been

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able to find a distributor uh in the US

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uh what do you know about this uh

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refusal of any company to pick up your

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film to distribute and also can it be

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seen in the West Bank or in Israel

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itself uh I mean it’s it’s sad that we

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don’t find a US distributor our our goal

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from making this this documentary it’s

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not the award it’s not the awards itself

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but the people and the audience and to

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get to the people Hearts because we want

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people to see the reality to see what’s

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going on in my community in mfata but in

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all in all the West Bank to what to the

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Palestinians and how the the the

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life the daily life under this brutal

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occupation people should be aware of

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this because they are but in somehow

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they are they have responsibility in the

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US it’s the tax money that that the

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people paying there it’s it’s have uh

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have something to to do with with with

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with the home destruction that we we’re

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facing the settlers violent the of the

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settlements on our land that doesn’t not

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stop uh every day and and we as a as a

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collective made this movie we we faced

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so many risks on on the field on the

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ground like my my home was invaded and

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the cameras were confiscated from my

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home by Israeli soldiers and I was

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physically attacked on the field when

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I’m going around and filming these

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crimes I mean to show to the to the

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people and to to to let the people know

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about what’s going on but it’s sad that

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the uh distributors in the US so far

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don’t do not want to take a little bit

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of risk political risk and to show this

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documentary to the audience it’s I’m I’m

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really sad about about it that there’s

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no a big distributor is taking no other

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land and showing to the to the to the

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American people it’s very important to

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to reach to the to the Americans uh I

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believe and so far we are doing it

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independently on the

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cinemas and your co-director is Israeli

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have you come under critic iism for

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working with Israelis on the

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film uh so far I I not I’m not receiving

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any criticism uh for working with

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Israeli I like working together is that

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because we we we share in somehow the

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same values that we reject the the

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unjustice and the occupation and the

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abde of what’s going on and we want to

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work pro uh Pro solution and pro Justice

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and to end this like settlements and uh

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and for a for for a better future Basel

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um the Oscars are soon in a few weeks

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can you get a visa to come into the

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United States will you attend the

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Oscars so I I have Visa so far because

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I’ve been in the US participating in

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festivals for the for for our movie but

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my family and other bisan co-directors

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does not have yet and they will they

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will try to apply soon and hopefully

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they will get it and uh they will uh

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they will be able to join us in the

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so since it’s so difficult to see your

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film here in the United States I want to

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go to another clip of no other land

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again this is our guest basal ladra and

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his co-director yal Abraham filming the

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eviction of a Palestinian family

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[Music]

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[Music]

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now the soldiers arrive

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here he’s

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[Music]

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that’s Israeli bulldozers just

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destroying a bathroom this is another

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clip from no other land in which you

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Basel are attacked by Israeli forces

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even as you try to show them you have

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media credentials

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spee

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Bas that is you your mother is hanging

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on to you um as you’re being dragged

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your father what do you want the world

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to know about mfata about your community

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in this

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film I want I want the world to really

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act seriously the International

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Community should take measures and act

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seriously to end this like uh

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demolitions and ethnic cleansing that

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it’s happening everywhere in Gaza in the

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West Bank through different policies and

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different like uh reasons that the

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Israelis try to separate out which is

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all lies it’s all about land that they

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want to steal more and more of our land

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that that’s very clear on the ground

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because every Palestinian Community

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being erased there is a settlements

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growing in the same place this is

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happening right there in the South

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Hebron Hills and the in everywhere

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around the West Bank in area SE and now

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they are entering camps since January

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until now by demolishing like destroying

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the the camps in J to into into bus and

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forcing people to leave their their

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homes to to get away uh and the world is

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just keep watching and not taking

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serious actions and the opposite

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actually the Israelis kept receive all

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like this amount of violations of the

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international law the human rights laws

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uh it’s very clear that is is violated

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every day uh by the Israelis but nobody

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almost cares the the opposite they kept

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receiving weapons and money and

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relationships and and diplomatic

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diplomatic covers we have to leave it

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there I thank you so much look forward

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to interviewing you and you in the

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United States bosel auder co-director of

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the astronom documentary no other

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Basel Adra@basel_adra

mar. 11

This morning, one day after i came back from the Oscar’s a masked group of Israeli settlers stormed my neighbours home, assaulted the family members, sprayed pepper spray in their eyes, and smashed activists’ phones.another group of settlers attacked

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Basel Adra and Yuval Abraham on No Other Land | NYFF62

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sjFgq-sRLk)

Directors Basel Adra and Yuval Abraham discuss No Other Land, a Main Slate selection of the 62nd New York Film Festival, with NYFF programmer Justin Chang. No Other Land opens at Film at Lincoln Center on November 1 for an exclusive one-week run. Learn more: https://www.filmlinc.org/nyff2024/fil…

This eye-opening, vérité-style documentary, made by a Palestinian-Israeli collective of four directors over the course of five years, provides a harrowing account of the systematic onslaught of destruction experienced by Masafer Yatta, a group of Palestinian villages in the southern West Bank, at the hands of the Israeli military. Headed by Palestinian activist Basel Adra and Israeli journalist Yuval Abraham (also two of the film’s directors), the collective commits itself to filming and protesting the demolitions of homes and schools and the resulting displacement of their inhabitants, which were carried out to make way for Israeli military training ground. In addition to the indelible footage of destruction and expulsion captured by its undaunted witnesses, No Other Land serves as a moving portrait of friendship between Adra and Abraham, who form a philosophical and political alliance despite the drastic differences in their abilities to exist freely in this world. Winner of the Panorama Audience Award for Best Documentary Film at the 2024 Berlinale.

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I just want to thank you both again for

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being here and for bringing this

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extraordinary film to us

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um Basel if I may I want to start with

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you um you talked about your father um

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being kidnapped and detained recent

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recently short uh just not too long ago

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and we know from the film that this is

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not the first time this has happened and

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he’s such a vivid presence in the film

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in the past footage and in the more

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recent footage um if me ask just how is

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your how is your father doing and your

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whole family doing right

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now yeah so my father was uh was

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released in the same day after they take

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him for some hours but this is now today

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happening every day in the area uh this

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is what they do because uh in the last

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year the situation only go worest and

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worest down

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uh so generally people are not I mean

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they’re okay but not doing good because

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it’s it’s like you know the situation

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very bad

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today let’s take take us back to the the

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start um of how you this’s a question

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for both of you of how you first met we

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see in the film that moment of you know

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you saying hi and introducing yourselves

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was that the first moment um I know you

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Val you were there with Rachel as a

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journalist covering what was going on in

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masaf yata so how did the meeting come

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about yeah exactly so um this was it

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wasn’t really the first moment but it

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was in quite in the early moments and we

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found it in the editing and we we but um

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but yeah we met me me and Rachel um came

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to masafat as journalists and I was

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interested in um writing about house

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demolitions because this is something

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that I remember growing up even in like

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a southern Israeli town like I I I would

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always see bulldozers like to the nearby

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Palestinian Village like again and again

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and again and this is something that

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happens all over um like it happens in

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the West Bank it also happens in the

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neev in yafa and like everywhere like

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you see Palestinian houses being

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destroyed and I began writing about it

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um uh in Hebrew mainly to the Israeli

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audience and together with Rachel and

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that’s how we got to masafat and we met

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bass and hamdan who have been writing

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about their own Community being being

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destroyed for for many many years um

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yeah and I I think do you remember when

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we first met B I think it was like uh

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yeah we

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we it was a day when actually bulldozers

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came to basel’s Village and destroyed

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one of the neighbors houses and

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and yeah it was very shocking thing to

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to witness and uh we kept coming back

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and yeah and eventually we came up with

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the idea to make this film uh together

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yeah B do you wanton to add anything

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about just meeting youal for the first

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time and and I guess also having both

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been covering it as journalists having

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been involved in activism when did the

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moment come about that you realize this

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had to be a

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film yeah so in in M like uh since over

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than 20

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years a community they they receiving

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activists Internationals and also Israel

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LIF twing activists who come to stay in

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the communities to stay to with the she

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ACC company shephards School students to

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kind of protect them from Settler’s

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violence also to document sleeping with

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people like at night if something would

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happen so is a community is a rare thing

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uh to say it like in the West Bank that

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for a long time rece like uh is hosting

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activists coming to help the

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community so this is actually how we met

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youal through other

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activists and because like the like the

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camera is only tool that that we have uh

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beside our steadfastness in our land and

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and we we’re filming like uh a lot

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almost every day there’s an action or

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there’s like a attack a demolition

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something happen that we go out we film

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uh and as youal said like

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we we used also social media to update

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about what’s happening or write articles

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and magazines but we said we like one of

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the reasons why we we we decided to make

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the movies we want something bigger than

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social media and uh magazines so we we

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decided to make this

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movie the movie is you know structurally

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quite complex in terms of laying out the

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history of masafat and your family’s

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history of activism in the area and then

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also showing us the present tense

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reality um the demolition of homes and

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acts of um settler and and and Soldier

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violence and I know that you and the two

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of you and and Rachel and hamdan all

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edited the film yourselves together so

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how that must been really challenging in

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terms of finding the shape of the film

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The Rhythm and the structure of the film

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yeah it was very challenging that’s why

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it took us five years maybe I don’t know

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but it was really hard and it’s the

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first time you know we are making a film

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all of us so it’s

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um and I think we we got help along the

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way like we worked with an fabini who is

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a film editor and she really helped us

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understand how because the film has

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different sort of uh themes that was

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complex to weave together I think one

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structural issue that we um I feel is

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also political is the fact that you know

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the the way the Israeli military

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occupation Works in

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masafat is that instead of carrying out

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the force transfer of Basil’s community

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at once because it could have been a day

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you could have imagined you know just

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the bulldozers coming destroying all the

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houses taking people plac placing them

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on trucks and uh kicking them out um but

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they’ve been doing this gradually for

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decades and this is a strategy which um

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makes makes it invisible to um I think

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or more likely to be invisible to the

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Western World to the to to to to to

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International courts to every week you

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this as B says in the film every week

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you destroy another family’s home and

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another family’s home hoping that people

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will leave because it’s impossible to

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live under these conditions um and I

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think for us you know we we we F we had

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like thousands of hours of footage of of

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the most horrible violence and and and

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really the the policies of the of the

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occupation and for

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us um making this into into into a story

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is also a way to reveal the policy which

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is which is um which is which is has

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been hidden for for for for many many

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years um yeah right the film revealing

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the gradual of it yeah exactly yes and I

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want to ask about there are horrible

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moments of violence and buzle where your

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cousin is being shot and then and where

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we see you being dragged and and beaten

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by soldiers and some of it is caught on

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camera and some of it is just out of

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view and and some of it is shot with

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your camera and some of it is shot with

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you know another camera I don’t know if

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that was Rachel’s or you know but it’s

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can you talk about just you know having

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just the presence of mind to keep

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filming when you’re in danger and your

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loved ones are in danger and

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um yeah so we we don’t film like this

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this uh violence only for the film for

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no other land because as I said like we

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filming from before it’s very important

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to have the camera to get the

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evidence uh so I mean it’s very it’s

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it’s very difficult and very hard and

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you saw the the the you saw some of the

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videos like if you like

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the violence that we’re facing there so

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it’s uh I mean it’s very it’s it’s not

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easy to keep to keep be safe like in

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this in this actions and this in this

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violence but also it’s like uh I feel

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it’s a responsibility that have to keep

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continue like film this these things uh

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people need to see what’s what’s

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happening

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[Applause]

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and I don’t know if it’s a counterweight

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to that but in the film there are also

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these beautifully intimate moments that

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we see um of you know especially of

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youal spending time with basel’s friends

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and and family and something that struck

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me watching the film again seeing

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children playing among the ruins and

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playing you know and maintaining some

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semblance of because that’s what

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children do and in in the face of

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something like this and can you talk

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about just the decision capturing those

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those moments and choosing to include

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them um even even in fleeting moments

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and

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glimpses yeah this was very clear from

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from from the beginning I think to to us

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when we spoke 5 years ago about making

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the film that that we wanted to show you

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know reality has so many more layers

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than what you read on the news or what

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you know and and and like one of those

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layers is just the immense power of the

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masafat community and like the

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perseverance really against the the most

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brutal violence imaginable that that is

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being directed just to just to take

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their lands basically and um and and and

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and and and we wanted to you know we

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felt that one of the reasons for making

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a film would be to to touch on on all of

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these deeper layers um that that you

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don’t um yeah that I think people are um

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not always um experiencing when when

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they are watching something on TV or or

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um yeah and and at the end of at the end

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of the day you know we we we are both

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very very political people and and you

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know as Basel said in the beginning this

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really is an act of of of cor resistance

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and we are you know this what you’ve

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seen I mean I think it’s clear to

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anybody who watches is is how unjust and

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wrong this is and and it cannot continue

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um it cannot continue my country cannot

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continue to do this and I think your

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country here in the United States cannot

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continue to support this military

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occupation um

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and yeah and and and I think you know

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the the our our work me and Basel and

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hamdan and Rachel like we we will

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continue to do it I mean this is um if

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if not in a film then then in another

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way and and it’s part of you know the

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different future that we imagine one

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where Palestinians are free and

10:52

Palestinians and Israelis are are are

10:54

have a mutual sense of security because

10:56

we are dependent on one another and I

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think um

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um it’s just it’s not sustainable to to

11:02

continue anymore and and I think um yeah

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and and I hope this film can be seen by

11:07

millions of people and and play a part

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in in making that

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change so much of the film is of course

11:19

about your friendship and um when we see

11:23

your friendship growing and when we see

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you sometimes you know debating strategy

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sometimes gently pushing back on each

11:30

other and I wonder if you can talk about

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how your friendship has evolved over the

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course of this and even the decision to

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make that such a central thing I think

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that the the you know that that had to

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be such a part of the story of putting

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your relationship front in

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Center I say B can can join but I think

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in a way it connects to my previous

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Point

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um

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like we we we began working together

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through a sense of shared values um and

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and shared opposition to to the

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injustices of the present that you have

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watched in the film

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and you know often people ask us about

12:10

friendship or about coexistence and it

12:14

there’s a problem there because you know

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currently one of the sides literally

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does not have existence like the

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Palestinian people they do not have

12:21

state they do not have freedom and how

12:23

can there be friendship or coexistence

12:26

when when when when that is such a you

12:28

know such a power in balance and and and

12:31

and that is why you know I think that in

12:32

order for that to to to be achievable

12:35

there needs to be a CO resistance of

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people struggling for for justice and

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for Freedom um

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and we I think we wanted to show that

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but also another crucial point is for us

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to show ourselves is just to show the

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Stark uh differences like you know we’re

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literally both born in a land where like

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if if you look at our IDs right now mine

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is the color blue and Basel is the color

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green and they’re both controlled and

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issued by by the state of Israel but you

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know like I’m under civilian law and

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Basel is under military law and um in in

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in every single aspect of of our lives

13:10

there is systematic

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discrimination um

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and yes like our our our film is a plea

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to to change that and and and that was

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part of why we also wanted to to show

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that um in the film

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yeah I know you finished shooting this

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in October 2020 23 um and it is

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obviously a challenge when everything

13:33

you show is still ongoing to know how

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you’re going to end the film and I’m

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just wondering if you could take us back

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to that October and where your minds

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were with you know in terms of finding

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the right ending for the

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film yeah we uh like we finished filming

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before uh October and we wanted to

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release the the movie uh we like editing

13:59

and the war started so we we felt it’s

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very important to include what’s

14:05

happening in masaf after after like uh

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the war started and what’s happening

14:11

under the shadow of the war like uh uh

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in in the area that six communities from

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my area had to flee under the attacks of

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settlers and soldiers and uh my cousin

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was shot and it’s

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totally totally like changed worse and

14:28

worse the situation on the ground and it

14:30

it keeps now it’s one year almost it’s

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going uh very bad in the area even

14:36

really worse than than what uh what we

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showed in the

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movie I think we have time um for just a

14:46

few questions from the audience I’m sure

14:48

there are some microphones going around

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if anyone has a question I will’ll try

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to keep it tight because we don’t have

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much time um right here in the front row

14:56

yes y thank you so much uh and thank you

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to the filmmaker who were able to attend

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and the others that were not able to

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attend for making this um I I just I

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wanted to get to something that you kind

15:05

of allude to partially in the film and

15:06

also when you’re talking about why you

15:08

wanted to make a film rather than just

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documenting this for you know putting it

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online and I think over especially over

15:14

the past year as people became more

15:17

aware of the Israeli Palestinian

15:18

conflict and what’s been going on in

15:20

Gaza u a lot of people have been bearing

15:23

witness in just in the past year the way

15:25

that a lot of the communities in the

15:26

West Bank as shown in the film have been

15:28

bearing Witness and that that’s kind of

15:29

the best action you can take as a

15:31

nonviolent action I suppose as someone

15:34

who’s been doing it now for decades

15:36

rather than just for many people over

15:38

the past year or

15:39

so do you find that the heightened or

15:43

increased audience has made it more

15:46

impactful to be able to get this word

15:47

out or is it is in some ways there it

15:49

getting lost in the noise of how much

15:50

people are talking about Israel and

15:52

Palestine I I suppose I’m I’m curious as

15:54

to how you feel both with this film but

15:57

in also further actions in terms of more

15:59

filming documenting what the the attacks

16:01

are going on do you find it in some ways

16:03

more challenging to get the word out in

16:05

the midst of all the violence and all

16:07

the noise and all the news that’s coming

16:08

out of Gaz in the West Bank

16:19

now yeah as as I said before like the

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the camera is very important tool for us

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I’m speaking about at least about about

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us like in MF for example example it’s

16:29

the only tool that you you uh we we like

16:32

we use it uh to to to show with it but

16:36

it’s also important for our daily life

16:39

not just to show the people outside

16:40

which is very important and it’s our

16:42

goal that people should should know not

16:45

just to to see because there are there

16:47

are a lot of people who’s responsible uh

16:49

for this and somehow but also it’s

16:52

evidence that that we need also to

16:54

protect ourself with for example my

16:57

cousin was shot he was charged that he

16:59

was like throwing stones and the

17:00

settlers were defeating himself and this

17:03

has happened so many times so for that

17:05

we we always need to to have to have

17:08

those evidence for our for for for our

17:11

daily life

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yeah I’m afraid that is all the time we

17:15

have um have to get in for the next show

17:17

but thank you for your brilliant film

17:19

thank you for being here thank you all

17:21

for being here too

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you know that happened in 1948 it kind of continuing basically until today but

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in different forms in different they’re using different terms different law but in the end of the day it’s about

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stealing our land as Palestinians and give it to those settlers and building more and more Israeli settlements and

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outposts and all the time talking about annexations not

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annexations um all right all right ladies and gentlemen we

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have some very special guests here today uh here I’ll play the trailer

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first and foremost for no other land okay for those of you who haven’t seen it yet no other land is a uh no other

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land is a documentary here let’s just let’s just start off with this real quick this was the Berlin Air trailer

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and then we’ll

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thousand Palestinians face one of the single biggest expulsion decisions since the Israeli occupation of the

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Palestinian territories began

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documentary is called uh no other land uh we are joined by hamdan balala and Basra the filmmakers and it is nominated

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for best documentary at the Oscars tomorrow thank you guys for taking some time out to come uh and and join join us

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on the broadcast uh I’ve had uh M Ziza in the past before as well when did you

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guys get in he thank you for having user we arrived in La uh yesterday okay how

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do you like it so far uh looks beautiful we like it that’s it okay beautiful is not something I’ve

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ever heard people say about Los Angeles so that’s cool um you’re going to have to get close to the microphone as well

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by the way just so you know it’s it’s a a complicated process say but um do they

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want to hear something no it’s Ramadan Chatters they’re you they’re fasting I

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I’m a bad Muslim so they sorry so they think you know they they want they want

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me to be uh polite and give you guys um wait is there buzzing on one of

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the microphones no there isn’t it doesn’t there’s a buzz or high pitch when the orange microphone is used wait

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really wait can you speak into it hello hi it’s fine no I hear it okay well

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regardless all right well I don’t know how to fix it so it’s that B it’s really bad it’s a small

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Buzz okay um I don’t know I don’t know how to fix it in real time sorry so it

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might it might be a little bit it’s fine um okay regardless there’s uh an entire

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there’s 30,000 people watching right now so they’re going to be very annoying uh I’m just letting you guys know but uh

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yeah like I said Thank you for so much for coming and um so let’s talk about

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how this uh initially started like what led you to to uh film some of this uh

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some of these experiences as as a a growing up in in occupied Palestinian

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territory in the West Bank yeah so we both uh coming from a small community

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called masaf in the southern occupied West Bank uh it’s for those who don’t

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know uh area C which which is uh fully controlled by the Israeli military uh

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forces they controls everything about our life and they’re they are all the

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time trying not trying but actually uh stealing our land to build more and more

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of a legal settlements and outpost bringing in Jewish settlers from all

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over the world to live in it uh while they are uh since decades and still

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persist destroy trying to destroy and destroy a big part of our homes and communities

5:32

in order to force us leave uh our homeland so we basically grow up in this

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uh horrific situation where every day we have to uh suffer from the incubation and every day we have to witness

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something from this brutal occupation reminding us that we’re living unnormal life and we are uh under this

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uh situation that nobody in the world like uh stopping it from going on so

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when we when we became teenagers we start to hold cameras in our hands and run in the field in our homes our

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villages with our neighbors with the shephards with the school students filming what these crimes uh going on

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the on the ground from settlers and from soldiers and basically it begin we

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didn’t have idea of making a movie we just like wanted to people to know that we exist in this part of land we wanted

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people to see what’s actually happening to our life because every time there is bulldozers entering our community

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destroying homes and properities and leave you know it’s not even interested

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for journalists for the people it’s it became a routine of our life while for us it’s not a routine it’s a new

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suffering as a new family who losing their their home and their structure their shelters and all of the time we

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have been looking for different ways how we can how we can make this footage and

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this evidence that we are taking on the ground seen by the by the by the word and we wanted people to care about about

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us about what’s happening so we used sometimes social media um we have

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written articles about what’s happening and 5 years ago we have been joined by other two Israeli journalist activists

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uh who came to mfata for the first time wanted to write also uh about what’s

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going on and it became interested for them and they want to come more and more

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and in the few times in the first few times we met hamdan who actually was

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first one who mentioned the idea uh guys what what do you think of make a

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documentary out of all the footage that we have none of us experience doing long

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documentary but we decided both of us and agreed to go and take this uh

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experience journey together so we started five years ago lot of

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challenges sometimes fun a lot of troubles facing physical violence and uh

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threats and pressure uh for for for our our work

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and last February for first time we have scamed uh wait it’s cutting out a little

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bit Yeah you got to get really close into the microphone sorry yes fine and ver was the

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first step and first time we premiered no other land and have been one year and

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now we are in La nominated for the Oscar as a best yeah um wait let me

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also let’s see I’m trying to plug it and then unplug it and then replug it uh

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maybe it’ll fix it sometimes I think we can do this sometime okay we can do that

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too hold on here try it again hey hello can can you guys hear him is it better

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or does the green one the green one works no it’s not better it’s fixed okay

9:11

the green one sounds good all right you know what let’s just do that let’s just use one mic oh okay sorry this is not a this is

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a uh not the most professional setup I’m if I’m being real unfortunately hold on

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I think that’s the second one so test it quite speaking to it hi hello

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okay yeah it should be all right we’re good we’re good um all right we’re not going to use the second

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microphone okay so um a couple questions so uh Americans are not very

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knowledgeable about what’s going on in uh in in Gaza let alone the West Bank

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they don’t even know that these are uh both uh Palestinian territories that are

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uh OCC occupied by Israel as a beligan occupier um so do you want to explain to them what

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the differences are between Gaza and the West Bank yeah

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well uh the differences between Gaza and the West Bank Israel like has occupied

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Gaza West Bank East Jerusalem and part of Jordan Egypt Syria Lebanon in 1967

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and then there was sort of agreements with Jordan Egypt where they returned their land back and Israel is still

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occupying part of uh Lebanon land and Syrian land in also in Palestine Gaza

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East Jerusalem and the West Bank and in the beginning of the 80s or like in in

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the middle of the 70s to the beginning of the 80s they started building settlements uh and bringing first it was

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like military occupation uh and then they start in building settlements and bring in Jewish

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civilians to live in those settlements after they like steel land from from the

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Palestinians and it continued in this way uh you know with a lot with a lot of

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sufferings for sure because we live under a foreign military control that try to uh as much as they can to push us

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out of out of uh our land as we call it as Palestinians ongoing neba because the

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neba continue but with different methods you know the catastroph that happened in

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1948 it kind of continuing basically until today but in different forms in

11:36

different they’re using different terms different law but in the end of the day it’s about stealing our land as

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Palestinians and give it to those settlers and building more and more Israeli settlements and outposts and all

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the time talking about annexations not annexations when Trump was a president

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in the last uh term he for example give isra or like announce

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that Haan it’s Israeli land and also make is Jerusalem as a the capital of

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Israel and this is how Israel is creating facts on the ground until

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the International Community will be forest or America will help them and would be forest or accept that this is

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became Israel so all the talk about two State solution today kind of did because

12:25

there is like Israel changed all the facts on the ground divided they divided

12:31

Gaza from the West Bank we can’t go to Gaza people from Gaza can’t come to to the West Bank it’s totally divided uh

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Israel is controlled all the the borders around the West Bank and around Gaza none of the Palestinians can go out and

12:44

enter without permission of the Army in 2005 Israel withdraw from Gaza

12:51

and took the settlers that were living there but kept Gaza under Israel control

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all the borders were controlled people in Gaza were under besieged for 17 years

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but they continued in the West Bank to uh until today like building more and

13:09

more settlements and checkpoints and uh roads military bases and basically this

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like one of the reasons is to to prevent us as a Palestinians to have our own

13:21

independence yeah and my analysis on it is that uh Israel kept purposely

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utilizing a two-state solution that they were not really interested in in the

13:35

so-called peace process uh in an effort to continue pushing it down the line

13:41

further and further and in some instances like Netanyahu for example was very forthcoming very honest about it

13:47

too he would say it’s never going to happen or that we’re not interested or I’m going to push it back well

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simultaneously the number of settlers in the West Bank grew to now

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750,000 over the course of the past three decades yeah I mean uh the there was also

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agreement that where the Palestinian Liberation movement has signed it and decided to became a Palestinian

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Authority that because America played the role and the key to have agreement and to create two-state solution uh and

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that’s what the blo agreed to and signed in and became a ban Authority and and

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recognized Israel as a state while Israel did totally the opposite and like

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totally opposite I mean did not recognize palestin State and kept occupation and kept building more and more settlements and outpost as as and

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escalated the situation until until today and the the thing that why Israel

14:51

was able to do this because the US who were like the the key player on this and make the ban Authority or the blo sign

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such a agreement that they will be they will guarantee it and they would prevent Israel from continue the occupation and

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building settlements and outpost and what happened all the past 30 years totally the opposite where Israel were

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allowed and supported and funded and got Military Support as much as as they as

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they want to to continue of the building the settlements and outposts and uh put

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Gaza Under Siege and checkpoints in the West Bank and all the crimes that have been committed and they have no one s

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single consequences and America Europe that allowed this to to to reach until

15:35

today because Israel were only receiving some condemnations on social media statements here and there but no actions

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on the ground to stop Israel from moving forward of like with it aperti system to

15:48

kill the two State solution and at the end of the last year

15:55

you know there was a a law that passed in the Israeli Parliament where they

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directly and clearly and and fully say there will never be a a b State yeah and

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the world is silent yeah um do you do you feel like things have

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changed post October 7 in terms of uh a lot more recognition coming from the

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Western world uh in terms of like understanding the the position of

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Palestinians because at least like I’m Turkish I grew up in in

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Turkey I’ve always uh you know it’s it’s a little bit different from uh my

16:40

upbringing so because I always knew what was going on but um over the past 10

16:46

years as a political commentator uh I have always been uh Pro

16:53

Palestinian emancipation Pro Palestine but I never saw this level of

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support from everyday citizens in the Western World um this is it does seem

17:07

like there is a somewhat of a tide shift in that regard um do you also do you

17:13

also feel that way or we we definitely feel it and we see it you know the Palestinians were like seeing all the

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students were protesting and feel that there are people who cares about them the protest in the street and the campus

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uh in Europe as well in the street the people there was uh a wave of of support and uh

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it continue I guess until today in some of some of the countries there was even a European countries who had brave

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enough who was brave enough like Spain and norweg and uh uh different other

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countries uh that recognize the state of Palestine but we ask ourself as well

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that does this support that we are gaining today uh in the in the public opinion uh uh worth the price that the

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Palestinians paid in Gaza I mean this is this is this is this is this is

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important question to ask our yeah like paid very very high price talking about

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tens of thousands of people who are like slutter and almost 70% to 80% of Gaza is

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flattened and they are and there is like a chance that the war will start again

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and I I wish not so you would say yes there is like in the public opinion

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support to the Palestinians but unfortunately in the government they keep the same support to

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Israel and and using the V here in the US giving weapons and money and in the

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you know the major European governments countries um hold on I’m going to I’m going to just change your Noise Gate

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real quick so that they can hear you because it keeps cutting out one second Chatters are they’re congratulating you

18:56

for your award on the on the documentary or the nomination for the documentary uh

19:02

as well one second okay it should be fine now going forward there they’ll

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just hear everything that you say won’t cut out and hopefully um people won’t get annoyed okay um so today we’re also

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raising money for the no other land rebuilding Alliance fundraiser do you

19:20

want to talk about that a little bit as well here hi everyone my name is Adam Ramadan

19:26

I’m the deputy director for rebuilding Alliance iance I guess some background on rebuilding Alliance uh we’ve been

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working in Palestine and Gaza and the West Bank for for over 20 years now um

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the founder and executive director Don AB bransky Walker started rebuilding

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Alliance to rebuild the house that Rachel Corey um was murdered protecting

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the N Allah’s house in Gazza and she was actually successful in rebuilding their house in Gazza unfortunately that house

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has been demolished uh this past War since October 7th um so you know that’s just more

20:05

reason for us to continue our efforts and do what we’re doing best uh to talk more about the work we do in in

20:11

Gazza we have over 20 kitchens we’re feeding over 70,000 people a day that

20:17

was in partnership with the world food program unfortunately that contract is coming to an end so we have to take you

20:24

know all the financial responsibility to ensure that these kitchens are are still running so that’s one of the reasons why

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we started this fundraiser um we also do you know we

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have different educational programs uh we have popup uh temporary like as they

20:41

call them in Gaza temporary learning uh spaces since there are no schools uh we

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do hire teachers that worked as teachers to to help you know uh put together any

20:51

kind of program to to to ease the situation of the children in Raza at this moment we also we we’ve had

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Partners PRI to October 7th that’s been running you know Community Kitchens and and and running programs to support

21:05

social health like that so and also in the West Bank the work that we do in the West Bank uh specifically in the the

21:12

Hebron Hills uh we have social workers there that do activities for young children that are traumatized from the

21:19

experiences they’ve you know um had with the with the IDF and the um Israeli

21:27

soldiers um we also one of one of the biggest aspects of our work is we do

21:33

Congressional trips to the West Bank uh so we actually take members of Congress

21:39

to Palestine and you know we we let them uh go through the experience of you know

21:45

what a Palestinian would go through every single day so that’s that’s just a a quick you know overview of the work

21:52

that we do um we were excited to help you know Basel and hamdan and their family with the with the VISA to come

21:59

here to the states to hopefully you know celebrate their their Victory and and

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winning the Oscars tomorrow hopefully hopefully um can you can you elaborate

22:10

on that uh on on the difficulties of such a thing because I think a lot of people don’t understand like it’s not

22:17

very easy for uh Palestinians from the West Bank to be able to travel freely

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and uh as far as I understand there’s also issues with even returning once you

22:29

uh leave the West Bank um Israel has so much control over this territory that it

22:34

it legally occupies that uh there have been instances for example where American Congress persons have been

22:41

barred from entering uh the West Bank to to visit their family members like Rashid uh Rashid Talib is one of the

22:48

famous examples of of of the level of power and and uh influence that Israel

22:54

has over uh the lives of Palestinians but also even the lives of americ Americans is there like do you do you

23:00

want to go through that a little bit I mean there’s there’s no secret we’re you know we’re a registered nonprofit you know we follow all the the laws and

23:06

rules and the regulations that are set forth in the US and abroad so we we do

23:12

our best to follow the the procedures and regulations that are put forth for us to follow there’s nothing there’s no

23:18

secret there’s no magic to it it’s just a matter of you know following what they they have some you know some whatever

23:24

they put forward works so there’s no reason to go around it or or make it more complicated so that’s what we do we

23:30

follow the process and trust that it’ll work yeah um so uh one of the one of the

23:37

questions I I wanted to ask you uh was about your day-to-day experiences with

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um the Israeli occupying Force like if you could if you could give a a um like

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if you could elaborate on your personal experiences of like how uh the Israeli occupying for forces uh will restrict

24:02

your travel for example things that uh people might not be aware of yeah in

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like in terms of borders we know like all borders between Jordanian River to

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the med Mediterranean Sea are controlled by the Israeli forces you know Palestinians doesn’t control any type of

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Border like for to go uh to travel outside or to come back to their to their homes everything is controlled uh

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by the Israeli soldiers so yeah a lot of Palestinians are banned also to travel outside and the millions

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of refu Palestinian refugees that have lost their homes and uh have been like

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ethnically cleansed in the nakba or in the 67 are not not allowed to go back to

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their to their homes until today in the day today life under the under the occupation like I would say people the

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best example people watch no other land and uh sadly until now we don’t have a

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dist ution in the US uh we had me and my my friend hamdan and colleague in this

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work uh put so much efforts and take so much risks on our life on our homes uh

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to to to to document this evidence uh to find out that uh distributors in the US

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doesn’t doesn’t want to take one step of courage to to take to take such a movie

25:25

and to show to the people in the people in the US must must know what’s happening because their

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their countes is a is a key player their money actually is doing what is doing to

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us and they they should they should know what’s what’s going on with their money

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uh on on our life why why Village like mine can’t have a clean clean water pipe

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to to drink a water or we can’t or we can’t build a school or electricity or

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hamdan for example has uh has home demolition order on his home and can be

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destroyed at any moment uh today and actually the whole village where where

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he lives uh and this is sad that the people until today does not

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know what’s what’s what’s going on or what’s their government supports and for that we come with this movie we’re doing

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tours we’re bringing it to theaters and hopefully distributors in the US will take it and show it to the people

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yeah no other land is uh does not have a US distributor but is still the year’s

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highest grossing Oscar nominated documentary uh back in February uh or I

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guess a couple days ago $420,000 also uh briefly I I do want to

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say uh we are now wait uh oh we might have actually broken the website oh we are at uh oh we’ve passed the $25,000

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goal by the way for uh no other land rebuilding Alliance fundraiser so um you know good job

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Chatters thanks for the support of course um yeah thank you yeah I mean

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it’s it’s not it’s it’s it’s nothing basically in terms of the Endless

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cruelty that I think the American government and our tax dollars subject Palestinians to but uh everyone here

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tries to help uh to the best of their ability you know

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um anyway aside from um I I wanted to talk about

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like your your day-to-day experiences aside from the destruction of The Villages a lack of access to uh a lack

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of access to to clean water supply and things of that nature that are uh gross

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human rights violations um the the like what does that do for your psyche in general like

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existing under uh a foreign occupation on a on a day-to-day basis like having

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no legal recourse for example yeah in the beginning this is like our land so

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we have to uh to be H strong and uh you

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you feel you are in your land and you are sa yeah we are under incubation we

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understand that and there’s no moment you feel you are safe and uh when you

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grow up and uh under this laws uh again

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against the humanity from the occupation your experience it’s like

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born with you ER you grow up to think how you uh how’s you

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live under the occupation uh and also when you get the experience from what

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you see like me um uh I saw the first demolition for my house I was 7 years

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old so when you ask and about the experience and what you did like a kids

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and when you saw your your house Demolition and destroyed

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uh I can’t I can’t explain that moment and when I saw everything my tent my

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caves they destroyed it and I saw my family it’s like outside uh become

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homeless but after like 1 hour two hours when my dad he came to me and he start

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to SP spoke with me about uh the house he start to tell me okay they will do

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destroy the house I will rebuilding again so that’s uh from

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this ER uh this uh people they came uh

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how uh the trust and uh also uh we it’s

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like thinking all the time there is a hope we will uh uh we will we will get

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it inshallah so uh and also when we spoke about how we live without clean

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water and without food or something no we have like uh different ways yeah

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but it’s like we will digging in the in the uh in the ground and makx like will

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water and collected the rain water and step by step it’s like became a clean

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but H another thing also the the Israeli

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incubation they didn’t let us also it’s like digging the water well so but we will never I I for

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me I I grew up whole my life I I didn’t see the Palestinian people they are give

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up so they continue they destroyed my Village like seven times and then then

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we’re building again so that that’s that’s give youth like uh early

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experience yeah so you’re saying that it it starts off uh instantly when you’re

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when you’re a child basically and you you recognize the cruelty that the the

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Israeli government is subjecting the Palestinian people too but you persevere uh and you just you know you just kind

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of find a way and and continue surviving yeah um some of the things that I have

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uh read about on the matter is uh the the systematic destruction and also uh

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the ways in which like even collecting rainwater is seen as like inappropriate often times by the Israeli government

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like they’ll they’ll break the uh the water towers as well from time to time is that true yeah yeah they there

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there’s many times and destroy the wells too yeah destroy the the water walls the he destroy the uh Network by uh water

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you know everything you you do you will it’s like try to do it in

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mfata okay they it’s like already they came and destroyed it so and also they

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changed like many laws okay the I I spoke it’s like Israeli laws Israeli the

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occupation laws to to be it’s like and that’s legal when they destroyed your

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house okay they start uh I will it’s like let let us spoke about the uh the

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ordered demolitions in the beginning they what they have you have like when you give when they give you uh the order

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demolition for your household you have two weeks to go to the court and make a case against this but they change it now

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it’s becomes like 96 hours and 96 hours they came on Wednesday example they give

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you the orders and there’s just like H Hol day two two days and then you

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don’t have a time to prepare your papers or something like this so and then they

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came destroyed it so they they destroyed this like everything everything you sty

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to building uh everything you if you want like digging water well all or

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network water they came and destroyed it and not just destroyed it after they

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destroyed the network They confiscated The Vibes with them mhm you can imagine like this this moment when you saw like

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this people who they they destroyed the network and then they take it with them they didn’t give you it’s like one

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opportunity to fix it again yeah um it’s uh virtually impossible for Palestinians

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to get construction permits from what I understand it’s about like what 98% of the construction permits that

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Palestinians apply for in terms of building Wells uh uh or or any sort of

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like water supply is denied uh rejected by the Israeli

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government yeah this actually this number was before this government I think uh the

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98% and now it’s for sure 100% uh that we are declined to apply

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any uh or if we apply you know it’s declined the thing is as as as I said

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it’s like occupation that does want to steal our land so now they’re they’re

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weaponizing not just now but they always have been weaponizing the law itself against us to make us existing on our

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land illegal like illegal to build a home or a school or a clinic or a street

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or water pipe or electricity to have any any life requirement that we build on our land they will say it’s illegal and

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they will come to destroy it and the Western world mostly was and still unfor

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L buying this lies that it’s bans doing illegal stuff we are enforcing the law

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but the law actually is written by Israel Commander you know and in this game soldiers Court government settlers

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working hand to hand and it’s completing they complete each other for one goal

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which is to legalize the Israeli settlements and outposts and settlers projects and to deal legalize anything

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about us as a Palestinians living in this land and talking about M that’s part of it it’s 60% of the

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whole West Bank so for that they are like transferring or forcefully

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displacing us from our homes and taking it for the uh interest of settlements and settlers but uh in the long term you

35:43

know for the to Annex it for the or or now maybe Trump will announce to the

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annexation in one of his like uh speeches and it’s sad because for a long

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time as you know the the Western media they were biased you know uh there was

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not real cover about what’s going on on the ground and they buy what the Israeli for example spoke Army spokesperson

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would say okay they destroy the school in this Village why you destroy it because it’s illegal and our narrative

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was not heed and we don’t have uh almost

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a place to to talk about our stories now it’s different nowadays we have many

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like we have people like beside us people like you talking about Palestine we are make this movie and other people

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around the world are talking up and speaking up about what’s happening but so far unfortunately we

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are not winning on the ground because everything is is dropped fast to be

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worse and worse as you know like two days after the ceasefire took place in Gaza the Israeli occupation forces is

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announcing military campaign in the West Bank MH on toas refugee camp Janine

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refugees camp and toar refugees Camp so far they displaced 50 uh 50,000 people

37:07

out of their homes and they’re like uh burning some of the homes or like blowing them up and destroying them as

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well the whole West Bank under a Siege like we used to travel from the southern

37:20

part of the West Bank to get to the border and uh worst case will be 3 hours

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today the best case would be from 7 to 10 hours there’s checkpoints almost in

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every entrance to Village to a town to a city and each City from the another is divided with a metal gates soldiers are

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there 24/7 on on these Gates you would see thousands of lines of cars waiting

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and being humilated my brother who came and traveled for the first time in the US want to join to in in the uh for the

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ceremony tomorrow he was stopped at the checkpoint the they checked his phone by a chance and they found that in Tik Tok

38:00

he uploaded one video from masaf he he they forc him to wait in the checkpoint

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and to be detained almost 3 hours and to be humed and attacked by the soldiers

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and this happened to thousands and thousands of Palestinians across the West Bank since October 7th to

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humilating people for posting any political thing or to have like a a flag of Palestine in their car or like

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wearing a shirt that have anything politically Palestine or something so

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we’re living really in very difficult situation yeah yeah that it never it

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never was like this yeah I mean difficult is is right um as far as I understand they’ve also uh completely

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shut off tolam like uh they’ve bulldozed the entry points into toam and and are

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are you know likely gearing up for uh even further incursions into it uh with

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uh I guess and Janine like they they tanks that since 20 years it didn’t

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happen and the other day you know you have Netanyahu the Israel prime minister

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uh going into Karim with the with the Israeli soldiers and he sat in in a house in a house where the family were

39:13

like displaced and for us it’s shocking like this person have uh arrest warrants

39:20

from the from the international criminal court and and he’s still able to come to

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the US and talk about democracy and about law and about human rights and the

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if he’s hosted I mean this is this is really crazy and insane the hypocrisy today by the west by the some of the

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western governments and in the US it’s not anymore undercover you know yeah now

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the in order for uh Western audiences to understand imagine if uh Vladimir Putin

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was sitting inside of a an Eastern Ukrainian home and

39:58

and and saying like oh this is our new military bunker and it’s just the home of a displaced uh Ukrainian person and

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they’re just kind of sitting there and openly flexing yeah or come to visit the US and the the president give him a

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chair to sit yeah oh that too exactly I mean exactly that would be that would be

40:19

unimaginable I mean that’s not even a thing well I I think that it is um it’s mostly because every everything

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that Israel is doing it’s doing for America like I think that this is this

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Dynamic exists not only because um a lot of wealthy donors have given Trump

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including uh uh Miri mson uh who’s given Donald Trump a hundred million doar and Sheldon uh

40:46

before he died uh gave last time around hundreds of millions of dollars to the Trump campaign but beyond that I think

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America uses Israel as a as a military base uh to dominate the region and uh

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and seemingly they see uh Palestinians as a as getting in the way of of uh

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Israel having complete control over the region yeah I mean it’s insane how Trump

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sometimes would use words that Israel is too tiny or too small and should like make it bigger or like uh we will take

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Gaza will like displace 2 million people from there like people like Netanyahu

41:26

and other and the Israeli governments and the Army motivated more even these

41:32

things are in their in their minds and they’re working in it but today they got the the president of the most almost

41:37

power on the world backing them in these crimes and calling them very in very

41:42

clear way you know yeah uh and and you know haven’t shaken away from the

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unlimited support that they’ve given to Israel uh including sending bulldozers as well and another $3 billion doll of

41:55

of weapon shipments that Donald Trump uh uh gave to Israel without Congressional

42:01

review uh two days ago while or yesterday while also uh telling zalinski

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you know uh go away you know kicking zalinski out of the White House while

42:14

simultaneously saying like we don’t have we’re America first we don’t have enough money for Ukraine and then turning

42:19

around and giving uh Israel $3 billion on the same day is is pretty obvious um

42:25

where America’s attention is uh and and uh and what they want to allow Israel to

42:32

do having said all of that where do you where do you foresee all of this going because there is a there is there are

42:39

some people who think that uh there is a like if Israel without forcing every

42:48

single Palestinian away from the West Bank or away from Gaza and that’s virtually impossible without a complete

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full-blown Holocaust uh style

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activities would have to bring for bring the Palestinians into Israel like with

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citizenship and then that would make it impossible for them to deny the apartheid do you feel like that’s uh the

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the uh worst case scenario like is there I don’t think Israel will will do that

43:23

and if they do if if they will do that it’s still aparti system system because aperti system is exists between the

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river to the Sea for all the Palestinians in different levels for sure the Palestinians who hold even

43:35

Israeli citizenship under the system of because in the end of the day Israel sees them as a Palestinians and treat

43:41

them in that way a lot of demolitions happening in in in with inside the green

43:47

line for the Palestinians that having green line uh sorry Israeli citizenship in the nag whole communities one

43:54

Community called over than 150 time have been like bulldozer and those are

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Palestinians with Israel ship but you would never ever see Israel doing this

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to Israeli uh ke boots or settlement or whatever you want to call it uh uh to to

44:12

buildozer it or to to kick like Jewish people out of it and to to to destroy their homes and then replace to replace

44:19

those villages with Palestinians exactly that would never happen so it’s oh also we’ve reached a double the amount on the

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fundraiser it’s now at $50,000 as of now um for the no otherland rebuilding Alliance fundraiser

44:33

so congratulations Chad good job um you’re making me a little proud after all the annoying things that you were

44:39

saying initially about the audio and the microphone so you know we might not be the most uh professional system here but

44:46

we make do um so you don’t have to answer this if you don’t want to but uh would you be

44:54

willing to explain to uh uh what Western audience like what the dynamic between

44:59

the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian people are because from my estimation it seems like the Palestinian

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Authority in many instances is uh operating as a part of the Israeli

45:12

security apparatus uh operating uh sometimes uh alongside Israel yeah so

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the ban Authority was founded like according to alsoo agreement and this

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agreement have should have been like terminally and then bistan should be a

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state you know where it it has to control uh all the area East Jerusalem

45:38

West Bank and and Gaza but in the agreement they divided the West Bank to area a b and c area b or the ban

45:46

Authority should have the full control and area B they control the Civil part

45:51

of of of the area B and area C is fully controlled by the Israeli military forces for a lot like for 5 years and

45:59

then Israel should withdraw and all this the West Bank should be uh one area

46:04

controlled by uh the Palestinian Authority unfortunately you know uh Rin

46:11

was killed the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu became a minister and he stopped this and say we are not like uh

46:17

working on this like with this with this agreement and we will not withdraw from the West Bank until today in fact they

46:24

as we know kept growing this and outpost and and he create a fact on the ground

46:30

was like he what what was there he kept it and he changed the facts on the

46:35

interests of the of of his government his country his people

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for the settlers in the West Bank and ban Authority unfortunately accept it and continue to deal with the facts as

46:48

as much as they change on the ground uh which is bad for for the Palestinians

46:53

and until today they and they until they became very powerless in front of the

46:58

Israelis you know and the fact that anytime the Israeli arey want to go in

47:05

area a and they does before October 7th every night every night there’s invasions by the Israeli military forces

47:13

toward area a and arresting people from their homes and no response from the ban

47:18

Authority in fact according to also agreement they don’t have to show up when the Israel military are in the

47:24

streets in area a they have to be in their offices yeah and this is how it kept go

47:31

on the situation Unfortunately they start to say recently before two months

47:37

almost that uh in in in like they want

47:43

to protect the West Bank so the same thing doesn’t happen like Israel is doing in Gaza and they start to blame

47:48

the Palestinian fighters in the refugees Camp so the is Ban authorities start to

47:54

go who have a legal right for the record uh in uh like the Janine brigades and

48:00

he’s not saying that I’m saying that for the record but they have a legal right under international law to to engage in

48:08

armed resistance against a foreign occupier a belligerent occupier that is

48:13

like technically legal what Israel is doing everything Israel is doing in the West Bank is completely illegal there is

48:21

not a single thing that Israel does in the West Bank that is legal it is entirely illegal not only is it morally

48:26

repugnant morally repugnant abhorent but it’s also completely illegal whereas

48:34

resisting against that is completely no mistake yeah so so they start arrest people and bunch of people have been

48:41

killed as well by the person Authority uh security uh and even though they did

48:47

this two days after the ceasefire took place in Gaza Israel invade the West

48:53

Bank and almost doing the same thing as they we’re doing in in in in Gaza and

49:00

for sure since the invasion start which is two two days after the ceasefire in Gaza a person Authority withdraw to to

49:08

give like the place is now under the this like military C Israeli

49:13

military campaign yeah um so aside from uh the additional uh like the almost

49:21

gusif foration of West Bank uh in terms of uh Israeli military action

49:27

um how do you feel about I mean do you feel like uh putting yourself out there

49:34

in this way uh do you do you fear that uh you might suffer repercussions from

49:40

the Israeli government well I I suffered I was physically different times not

49:46

just me but other other activists on the ground like have been subject of physical attacks uh for holding camera

49:53

and filming what’s going on my family was different times subject of physical

49:58

attacks arrests for me for my father uh our homes have been invaded several

50:04

times they came sometimes particularly to confiscate cameras from our homes

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that we use to film uh in the field also there was media campaigns against

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against me uh by is mainstream and on social media yeah I am fear but it’s

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something what do they say and there was like I can tell you the story in 202 1 there was a first like kind of big bogam

50:31

by Israeli settlers against a small village next to our village almost from 60 to 80 masked Israeli settlers uh with

50:39

the sticks with rifles with uh dogs with like they have almost everything and

50:46

they start to go home after home in that Village smashing Windows Doors properities attacking people and cars

50:53

anything they could they were stabbing water tanks the tears of that like their cars and tractors as smashing the the

50:59

vehicles in the community the Israeli Army were backing them shooting at anyal

51:04

try to react to protect themselves it’s a scenes that in my life were the first

51:10

time to see them and I was able to film for for a while like 3 to four minutes

51:16

as as if I can remember before at least 10 settlers start to chase me to try to take the

51:22

camera and uh throwing stones at me and hardly I made it and run away and I saw

51:28

families like women and children like fleeing from their homes while settlers continue uh to to destroy the community

51:34

they were a they were these settlers were able to flip to upside down one of the vehicles while soldiers are watching

51:41

and waiting for anal St to to approach to Sho at at him or at her and that was

51:47

for a 1 hour almost 1 hour that the attack before more Palestinians joined

51:52

and start to call the police we calling the police but they start to arrive and more forces and in kind kind of the

52:00

situation were calmed and settlers start to walk back to the Outpost after they almost destroyed everything and hit one

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uh three-year-old child uh with a rock in his head and he was seriously attacked and transferred to the hospital

52:16

in that moment what happened there was like one of the tear gas starting a fire on a a wood that the family collect for

52:24

the winter because we we use Stova of like uh for for for for the the winter

52:31

fire Stova and I called the soldiers that there’s fire here you have to stop it they ignore me and walk and then I I

52:37

start to shout at the guys from the community to bring water and then water and start to run uh soldiers came and

52:44

start to tell me you start the fire I tell him you start the fire and after one week because this B

52:52

and this attack with the video that I took was everywhere and they couldn’t like about it and they couldn’t deny it

52:58

because it was everywhere in the media a lot of journalists come and talk about what’s what happened to this community

53:05

so one week after this soldier that was telling me I start the fire I’m telling him you start the fire had a a goo

53:12

camera on his body and he took this clip passed it to the settlers the settlers passed it to channel 12 in Israel which

53:19

is mainstream media and they said this uh activist Basel Adra uh started fire

53:26

on a Palestinian home to accuse the Jews of uh you know when they victimize

53:33

themselves they don’t mention Israelis the Jews you know uh started the fire and in fact there was no fire at any

53:40

home the fire were like in a wood uh a place and this is like made me a subject

53:46

of uh virtual attacks by like is like journalists and like you know settlers

53:53

and right wi and all of this yeah um um oh no I yeah I I can’t say how I feel uh

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I can’t be as honest as I want to in this moment but um I’m sorry that that happened uh that’s you know uh fairly

54:09

Common Place uh across the board even I mean it’s nothing in comparison to your experiences but yes if you do defend uh

54:17

Palestinians and their Humanity in any capacity even in the Western World

54:23

regardless of uh your background you could be a Christian you can be Jewish in America and they will still say you

54:31

are a terrorist you love terrorism even though that is such a ridiculous thing

54:37

to say in this Dynamic considering that the terror is America and Israel uh

54:42

Israel is the one that’s doing the terrorism everything that you’ve described from your own personal

54:47

experience and everything that we’ve uh read about uh that that uh humanitarian

54:53

rights organizations work to to uh on Earth and to show to the rest of the world is indeed definitionally true

55:01

Terror but it’s being dished out by the United States of America and Israel so it doesn’t it’s never considered uh

55:08

terrorism even when the ICC sees it as terrorism even when the icj the international court of justice sees it

55:15

as terrorism so um I have two questions

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one um let’s say there are this is a western audience let’s say say that there are people who uh are are in

55:30

Israel cuz I have Israeli fans as well they’re leftists they’re anti-zionists but um if there was anything that you

55:38

could say to uh someone living in Israel who is entertaining the notion of joining the IDF what would you what

55:45

would you tell them I don’t know if I want to if if I am the right person to tell them uh the me that the people

55:52

going to the IDE yeah because for us they are the only are the ones committing those things to us so uh uh

56:02

things are are clear there on the ground you know it’s not just it’s not like I’m here I’m talking to you when when you

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are in the ground you understand more and better and uh and the only reason

56:13

you would continue doing so what you are doing is just if you’re a racist you know because other people normal people

56:20

would immediately understand that this is unnormal this is unjust and this is crimes and unless you are criminal and

56:27

racist and support these things you would be in that place you know supporting these crimes and be part of

56:33

it what do you think about uh people who have actually uh joined organizations like breaking the silence for example

56:39

after doing tours on all of these activists are our friends you know we know them we we we uh we work together

56:48

today uh and we know almost we know all the Israeli leftwing activists because

56:53

they since long time till today they comes to and they uh we do all of the our most of

57:00

our activism together yeah so let me ask you about that actually because so juval

57:06

Abraham played a role in this uh in the making of This documentary I’ve actually uh uh really admired his work uh for a

57:14

long time at 972 magazine local calls another one that do does a lot of investigative reporting on all of the uh

57:21

horrible things that the Israeli military is doing um sometimes that even

57:26

has the capacity to penetrate into the Western World ironically enough from where I’m standing when we look at

57:33

Israeli News even if it’s haritz which is not an anti-zionist paper at all or

57:38

even if it’s sometimes uh wet or even sometimes Jerusalem Post it’s more honest than American Media because I

57:46

feel like they don’t feel the need to uh to to De they don’t need they

57:53

don’t feel the need to like um make it seem like is what Israel is doing is moral because if your audience is

58:00

already Israeli they already they already have decided that Palestinians

58:06

are not human and must be dominated whereas in the New York Times here in the United States of America I think

58:13

that they uh they sanitize it they yeah because you you like I think one of the

58:20

reasons and big reasons because it’s funded by the US and the US doesn’t want to say that we funding those things

58:28

yeah absolutely for sure it’s predominantly funded by us both our

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tax dollars but also directly funded by American Christian groups for example um

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there’s uh the the largest donors to the West Bank specifically in in settler operations is uh the Christians United

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for Israel kufi it’s a it’s a Evangelical Zionist group and it is

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comprised entirely of Christians it’s funded entirely by Christians and it’s Christians like uh the the guy Mike

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Huckabee that Donald Trump just put as uh in charge of the West Bank from uh uh

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from the American perspective that uh believe in these like insane biblical

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reasons as to why the entire region must be given to Jewish people so that they can trigger a Rapture and uh you know

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Jesus Christ will uh come back to earth in their estimation it’s it’s truly psychotic

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uh it’s insane now another question I have I guess is um there are obviously

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uh Jewish Israelis who put their bodies on the line as well do you feel like that is uh given the the ethnos

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supremacist values that uh zionists have or given the ethnos supremacist values

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that Israel has do you feel like when uh when there are Jewish

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activists side by side with you that they there is less harm in

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general well they sometimes been attacked and arrested a lot of times but

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we are the pal like they don’t face what we face as the

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Palestinians uh most of the cases because you know in the end of the day they have the privilege because they are

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Israelis they’re they’re like some of them are our friends you know and we we

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we talk every day and we work together and go to the field but still there Israelis they know that they have the

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the privilege and not necessarily no you know they like in a lot of cases uh

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there was Israeli Israeli activists and still the harm would be the same for

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example in Bor in uh beta where American activists were shot in the head and

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killed and there was other like American activ yeah American activists the Turkish American and and Israel

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activists who were like side by side with her and and still the same in MF almost all

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sometimes it would make the harm less depends on the situation but sometime like most of the times no you know

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settlers would come to to commit a bugam and to burn homes or attack people they would keep doing it even if they see

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Israeli activist Israeli Prime Minister’s office says Israel agreed to a us uh proposal for extending the Gaza

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ceasefire in return for the release of hostages but is claiming that Hamas is refusing as as of now this just in this

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just came out which is of course a lie and they have lied about this every step

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of the way yeah they don’t want to go to phase two they don’t want to go to phase two but I um well it’s it’s currently

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it’s Ramadan right now um in many instances at least historically Ramadan

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is a time for uh Israel to really escalate its violence in the West Bank

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specifically and as a matter of fact many of the um many of the instances where Hamas has

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retaliated uh have happened during this time frame uh maybe you mean what’s up

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that they escalate the situation in Jerusalem you mean yes yes at the aloa mosque specifically Israel will come in

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uh will refuse uh for people to to even visit the aloa mosque uh and then will

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uh sometimes uh commit a Siege on the aloa mosque I’m sure you can uh speak to

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that as well from your personal experience and then even harm Palestinians sometimes even killing

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Palestinians in the process and then there will be retaliation that comes from the Gaza Strip and then Israel will

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use that retaliation to go and bomb the Gaza Strip this is usually how this

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process works having said that this time considering that there has already been a Siege in Gaza and ethnic cleansing

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that has been happening in Gaza and isra Isel is already focusing its efforts on

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uh the West Bank how do you think that uh this Ramadan period will uh will play

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itself out uh I think they still uh this year

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they have they have uh decided I think to prevent young people to attend to lxa

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mosque you know for the for the audience people that’s watching us we are from the West Bank we can’t go to the AA

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mosque anyway uh we because it’s technically uh inside the wall the

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separation wall and we need a permission that we will never get uh to go there so

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uh from the West Bank don’t go to pray in ALA mosque in the previous years some

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of the people would have be missions and exceptions uh to to

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Goos and most of the escalations would happen with the prayers in yeah in ALA

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today I see and most of the Fridays actually since the of the war Israel is

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preventing young people to attend to prayers in the AOS we’re talking about people from East Jerusalem and 48 like

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from inside the green line not the West Bank uh we are at all prevented to go

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there and I think today in Ramadan as well they’re preventing young people to

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attend to the prayer only from 50 and up that can go into pray inos they see in

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this a chance you know that they can now control and change the situation in the in

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as well yeah here this is what I was talking about with respect to Israeli media versus American Media where har

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says Netanyahu stalls stage two and once again weaponizes Israel’s grief the inertia of stage one and the result in dramatic change in the Israeli public

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mood will soon clash with the prime minister’s plan to offis gate and pricate they their analysis also is

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still not necessarily speaking on the humanity of the Palestinians but the anger that Israelis feel towards their

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own government but then you look at the American you look at the American news and it says

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Hamas rejects Israel’s request to extend phase one of Gaza ceasefire yeah it’s it’s a lie and when you say

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that it’s a lie people get mad at you they they say uh you’re wrong you’re uh

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this show shown also the cowardness of the Israeli of the American leaders when they when Biden set up a proposal and

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Hamas accept it and then they and netan rejected and then the American the American government say oh ham rejecting

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and and refusing toate ham like saying no we are accepting it and now the same thing a proposal by the Americans that

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has phase one phase two and phase three I think phase one ended and Israel refusing to go to phase two and American

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Media says Hamas is is rejecting like to go to the face yeah when they when it’s

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it’s you know nothing to trth in this country you you are not allowed to blame

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Netanyahu for anything he’s always right no of course yes I mean you know going

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back to this of course that’s this image says it all obviously so what else

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there’s some there’s some other there’s some other questions that I I I wanted to ask you before I let you guys go

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because thank you so much for taking the time out to to come here and we’re also close to tripling the goal by the way

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for uh rebuilding Alliance fundraiser uh we are now officially at 70 holy moly we

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are at mashah we’re at $73,900

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illegal you can’t get a job if you want to get a job in Texas for example as a public school teacher you have to sign

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uh a document that says you will never uh you will never advocate for boycotts

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you will never advocate for divestments and you will never advocate for sanctions against the state of

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Israel yeah it’s insane yeah insane this is why in spite of all of this and in

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spite of the media blackout and in spite of the the abject lies that Western media media tells I’m still um I still

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look at everything that’s going on and I still see uh the the uh genuine attitude

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shift and the momentum in the direction of recognizing the humanity of of

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Palestinian people as a as as still a a sign of of things to change um

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and especially on the other side I think Israel is a pariah State no matter what

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going forward yeah like our leaders and I think in the Arab world and in Turkey

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as well but in in the Arab world I think people understand this a little bit better where um the opinion of

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politicians and the government is very different than the opinion of the populations yeah where

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like uh you look at Muhammad bin Salman or you look at the Jordanian King uh participating in security cooperations

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with the Israeli state whereas the Jordanian population or even the Saudi population I think have a very different

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uh attitude about the Israeli State and I think that’s kind of what’s happening

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in the western world right now as well especially with younger Generations where they’re recognizing this cold

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heart truth that there is no real democracy in this process and that

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regardless of uh how much you protest that the American government is still going to give billions and billions of

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to Israel and that um and I think that that is inevitably going to create a

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contradiction that has to resolve where uh one side’s got to give

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and I still am a firm believer that the side that will give is uh is is Western

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Nations and Western governments that slowly but surely uh move away from the

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unconditional support they offered to Israel especially as Israel has become this Pariah state yeah

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in the way that people receive it I say Western World cuz the rest of the world

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knows what’s up but you know Western Europe is like one of the only places and America is one of the only places

1:09:37

where people have uh people have held this like loyalty to Israel and they

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yeah and they are yeah and they are the ones supporting Israel and backing it and so for that we keep calling Europe

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and America because most of the Israel power comes from here yeah so let me ask you another

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thing do you foresee okay this is the last question I promise sure yeah um do you

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foresee uh an attitude shift happening in Israel at all this is a little bit of a tricky question do you think that

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there are more people more activists that you have seen in at least the West

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Bank in terms of Jewish activists now uh post October I’m not like expert in

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talking about Israeli Society but they shifted more to the rightwing you know yeah like October 7 make most of the

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Israel shifting a lot to you know in any way they were most of the population

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didn’t care about the occupation before that and they were like yeah either they don’t know or they don’t or they are not

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or they don’t want to know you know they don’t want to open their eyes because they are living their own life and busy with it and doesn’t see what they’re

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doing to us after the wall and they don’t mostly cross the Wall to come to the West Bank and

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I know that after October 7th they more shifted to the right yeah and I

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think again this is my opinion not theirs okay I think that there were a

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lot of people that uh are are liberal zionists that uh were very critical

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about Israel uh occupying the West Bank and and I think that they recognize that

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that kind of looks bad to the Western World and that’s the reason why they were so critical over it or maybe they truly did think

1:11:28

that it was unacceptable I guess um or maybe they had a more serious approach to it where they thought you know if you

1:11:35

do this then you make it impossible to have a two-state solution and if there’s no possibility for a two-state solution

1:11:40

the inevitability is a one-state solution and we can’t have that we can’t live side by side with the Palestinians

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um but regardless I think a lot of those people after October 7 basically all

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dropped it completely and they were like no you know do what needs to be done um

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I at least I did see that from a lot of the liberal Zionist accounts that I saw on Twitter of people uh that initially

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would uh would would do activism in the West Bank turning around and and and now

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saying stuff like no we have to Pummel Gaza we have to do everything we can um

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so okay this is definitely the last question I don’t this might be you don’t have to answer it okay galado is

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presenting the documentary award at the Oscars yeah how how does that how does

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that work uh for you the I don’t know he much I just heard

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some from some people about about this subject I don’t know if it’s uh it’s confirmed or not also you don’t have to

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respond to that it’s okay you don’t have to say anything is also you have plenty

1:12:50

of experience I think just by living in the West Bank talking to people who have served in the Israeli occupying for so

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it won’t be a unique experience in that regard I guess but this time you will you know stand side by side we don’t

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know if we win like you know that’s another yeah well I’m you know I’m I’m

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rooting thank you hopefully um is there anything that you want to tell our audience uh before I let you guys go no

1:13:16

we just don’t thank you and thank the audience for the for listening to us for having us here it’s a pleasure and for

1:13:23

helping us for sure yeah okay thank you speaking to the

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microphone I just want to give a shout out to Latino Muslim Unity for you know putting these two events uh together for

1:13:36

Bas and hamdan we have a screening tonight uh and also uh post uh Oscar

1:13:44

celebration dinner on Monday at Jackson market so we’re looking forward to

1:13:49

celebrate you know the nomination of this documentary with you guys so and we really appreciate everyone’s support so

1:13:56

thank you guys hell yeah well once again thank you so much for coming on is there anything you want to say as well just I

1:14:03

need to thank you and uh thank you for the audience uh to hear us and uh host

1:14:11

is us and that’s it thank you thank you so much yeah well thank you for your

1:14:16

bravery what do you guys do you guys uh like what is what are some of the things you enjoy hobby wise here it just in in

1:14:25

the states or in general like what do you what do you do for fun aside from

1:14:30

surviving we don’t know we sometimes BL cards we what else I don’t know just

1:14:37

remember something all sometimes football back paav I don’t know what you I don’t know how you say it in Arabic

1:14:44

Nob soccer football soccer uh soccer and like cards these things yeah okay that’s

1:14:50

cool any TV no addicted to phones oh you watch Tik Tok not Tik Tok uh no

1:14:58

social media mostly Instagram what you do you’re on Instagram okay yeah who do

1:15:04

you who do you follow on Instagram uh who I follow what what kind of stuff do you follow on Instagram uh I addicted to

1:15:11

politicians so very hard to speak about other stuff but yeah some some

1:15:17

movies uh okay yeah all right all right I

1:15:25

bother you anymore we’re fasting and very hard to remember no no I know I know thank you so much uh once again all

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right everybody no other land 2025 Academy Award nominee best documentary feature uh inshah tomorrow uh inshah

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we’ll we’ll see what happens but uh yeah once again thank you so much for coming

1:15:45

um this was a real honor and uh you know thank you for existing and thank you for

1:15:51

the work that you guys are doing in general sure thank you yeah

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