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‘First They Came for the Palestinian’: Arrest of Mahmoud Khalil Sparks Nationwide Movement

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When Trump ordered the arrest and deportation of Palestinian activist Mahmoud Khalil in New York City, he didn’t expect it would trigger a mass movement in his defense. Millions of people understand it as an epic battle over free speech and the right to organize in solidarity with the Palestinian people.

Brian is joined by Layan Sima Fuleihan, a Palestinian organizer, popular educator, and Education Director at The People’s Forum. Both were at the rally today outside the courthouse where Khalil’s attorneys challenged ICE’s removal of Khalil to Louisiana.

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we need a new system we need a new Society we need to demand that which may

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have sounded impossible even a few weeks ago but is not only realizable but an

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imperative

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necessity Palestinian political activist mmud Khalil a recent graduate of

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Columbia University is charged with no crime and yet today he sits in a US

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prison in ice Detention Center why because of his political views welcome

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to the Socialist program I’m your host Brian Becker today we’re talking with lean Sima fulian she is a popular

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educator she’s the education director at the people’s Forum she’s an organizer with shut it down for Palestine and she

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has been one of the key organizers mobilizing Mass support for mmud Khalil

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welcome thanks for having me on the show Brian well this is an epic battle um

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we’re recording on Wednesday I mean just a few hours ago thousands of people were

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uh down at fley Square outside the federal court where mud’s lawyers were trying to get him free from an ice

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Detention Center in Louisiana they did not succeed there is going to be a legal process however anyway thousands of

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people were there this is an epic battle I think people around the country actually recognize it for what it is uh

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something that’s not just about the case of one individual but the outcome will impact Society at large let’s talk about

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it well Brian that’s a great place to start because I think that’s the most important development so far the Trump

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Administration clearly tried to single out Mahmud KH in order to scare people

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other people from coming out uh and protesting and exercising their right to

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political speech in instead of scaring people he was arrested on Saturday night by Monday there were thousands nearly

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10,000 people were in the streets protesting for his release for his right

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to be with his family um for him to be returned from Louis Louisiana and brought back to New York City and

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released immediately for ice to be off the campuses then since then every single day there have been Mass protests

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today in the middle of the day people waited outside the courthouse for hours high energy rally and demanding his

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release instead of scaring the movement this has actually brought the movement

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to grow stronger to grow grow broader and to get and people are coming out with high confidence that this is

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something that we need to see happen right now these demands are uh backed by the majority of people in this country

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well we were both at that demonstration we were at the one called on Monday demonstrations on Tuesday today when

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they were when the lawyers were in court uh what was noteworthy in my mind was

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that the the diversity of the protesters I mean it was young people it was old people it was Palestinians it was non-p

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Palestinians uh it was celebrities like Susan Sarandon I mean people across the

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board are coming to his support uh one of the things that was noteworthy about the Monday demonstration which you

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helped organize the people’s Forum answer Coalition the shut it down for Palestine Coalition Palestine youth

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movement Palestinian youth movement an assortment of organizations did this um

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several thousand people came out but it got immensely U positive coverage from The

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New York Times now the New York Times just for our audience they’ve been aware of demonstrations in support of the

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people of Gaza against the genocide for a long time we’ve been going to the New York Times front door and protesting and

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accusing the New York Times of lying about the Gaza genocide but this coverage was very very favorable I want

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to get your take on it because it seemed to me that there’s kind of a turn a shift happening politically even in some

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sectors of the political establishment who have been normally quite hostile to the Palestine solidarity movement what

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do what do you think that was a major development I did a lot of interviews over the past couple of days at these

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protests uh with uh generally Bourgeois media capitalist media that hasn’t been

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when they come and cover the protest they usually say a they usually very much minimize the number of people

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who’ve come out in the streets when they ask you questions they’re usually relatively hostile yeah the New York

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Times was using the language that Manhattan was flooded with demonstrators I mean this is this is carefully crafted

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Language by the mainstream media they know exactly what they want to do I mean we’ve had demonstrations of 50,000

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people in the last year in Manhattan the New York Times didn’t use that kind of language yeah they would say oh maybe a

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couple hundred came out when we would have 50,000 people on the streets um when they would come interview you they

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would say well uh how do you support Hamas or not and they you know they start off with these kind of aggressive

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questions already coming from another place these past few days completely different I even had one interview with

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a major uh major news corporation and at the end of the interview which was very

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friendly they were really you know asking me um why is why are you here

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what are your demands you know giving us a voice giving us some time to really clearly explain why we’re there which

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they us don’t do um and after the interview they cut the recording and they said listen we we can’t say this on

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air but this is Despicable and as journalists we are horrified by what is happening we can’t say this on air

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because of our bosses but we are with you this is major corporations yeah I I think there’s two reasons for this one

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is uh this case is unlike any case in recent time I mean people have been

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deported before uh people have lost their jobs before but mm was like a

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principal voice well-known voice in the encampment protests he was a a

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negotiator with Columbia University everybody kind of was aware of him he’s

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also a green card holder which means he has a legal status here and it also means the first amendment applies to him

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he has the right to speak out he wasn’t under any criminal charges the uh DHS

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officials who came to his apartment uh his campus housing on Saturday night where he and his uh wife who’s 8 months

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pregnant were living they opened the door one of them opened the door so they charged in they said uh we’re going to

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you’re under arrest we’re going to deport you his wife showed them his green card and the DHS assist uh

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official who by the way one of them at least was an honored guest of Donald Trump at an earlier State of the Union

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Address so a high level person a Chum of Donald Trump made a phone call and said

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oh look he’s got a green card and then the person on the other end of the call said okay well that’s revoked too that’s

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revoked too so I think a lot of people realize that if Donald Trump can arrest

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people who have legal status in the country who are who have a green card or

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Beyond people own green cards if you’re a US citizen if you can be arrested because of what you said what you

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thought who you were your expression of free speech rights then the whole idea

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of the first amendment is out the window so that’s why I think a lot of people are railing to u to MMO’s case the

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second reason is that people including within Elite circles are looking for a

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way to fight against Trump’s policies now this is important because in historical processes inter Elite

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conflicts are often a precursor to a larger societal crisis it’s not simply a

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struggle between the working class and the prol car at in the Bourgeois there are conflicts within the ruling class

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and I think the favorable media coverage is also in addition to the fact that it’s a grotesque case and an obviously

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grotesque case I think there are sectors of the ruling class who want to be against Trump but having seen the

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Democratic party establishment completely fall on their face completely Retreat have a craven sort of expression

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of sort of passivity in the in the face of Trump’s very aggressive policies

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people are with even within Elite politics seeing this as a possible way

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to fight and now I want to play a clip it’s from the White House Press

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Secretary uh she’s talking to a Jour responding to a journalist and the journalist saying he’s one he’s not

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accused of a crime and he’s he’s not on a Visa he has legal status how can you

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possibly uh put him in an ice Detention Center how can you kidnap him from his home listen to her response question

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here on Mahmud Khalil does the administration believe that it needs to charge a green card holder with a crime

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to be eligible for deportation well uh in fact secretary rub Rubio uh reserves

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the right to revoke the Visa of mmud khil and I’m glad you brought this up under the immigration and nationality

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act the secretary of state has the right to revoke um a green card or a Visa for

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individuals who serve um at or at adversarial to the foreign policy and National Security interests of the

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United States of America and so I think she was confused she kept

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using Visa and green card interchangeably but her point is Marco Rubio has the right to you know put him

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in jail and then Deport him because he represents a threat to America’s foreign

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policy in what possible way I mean does this mean if you oppose the war say uh

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the the Israeli genocide in Gaza you’re against American foreign policy and thus you have no rights does it mean for

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instance you know 60 years ago if you were against the Vietnam War when the when people yelled go back to Russia you

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don’t support our our government that you actually should have been able to be arrested anyway this is how grotesque

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this case is it’s completely thuggish behavior let’s just actually do a

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play-by-play of what happened because it’s absolutely absurd and outrageous Marco Rubio gives the order

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which which we found out confirmed by the White House um that it was Marco Rubio that signed off on the arrest of

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and he was and he’s a puppet of Donald Trump he’s a puppet of Donald Trump now where did Marco Rubio get mahmud’s name

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there is a group that’s claimed responsibility for that betar USA an extremist Zionist group that is in their

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entire existence is inside the United States they go after Pro Palestinian

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activists and they harass them they they actually even sometimes provoke violent

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conflicts at uh protests they just that’s their entire existence they just threaten and harass uh uh Pro

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Palestinian activists they submitted a list of names of uh Pro Palestinian uh

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organizers on campus uh 20 faculty and 100 students they said these are people

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they’ve identified as foreign uh students that need to be deported because of their political activity they

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called them Pro Hamas agents and they submitted that to the white house uh some weeks ago now uh they are the ones

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who said that Mahmud Khal has a student visa then on Saturday night wait a

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second let’s be clear so this right-wing extreme rightwing Zionist group they were targeting individual students yes

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they were the ones who said he’s got a Visa in other words they didn’t know he was on a green card they don’t know

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because they are not a federal agency they just they said he’s on a student visa and they sent this list into the

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White House now we don’t know know exactly what happened inside the White House how they decided if they did any

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of their own research but on Saturday night DHS shows up at mahmud’s apartment

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and Elvin Hernandez which is the DHS officer that you talked about he was

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honored at Trump’s 2019 State of the Union Address he shows up he uh says

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you’re we’re getting we’re arresting you Mahmud is on the phone with his lawyer and uh Elvin Hernandez takes the phone

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from m mood and talks to his lawyer and says to his lawyer we are going to revoke his student visa his lawyer

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responds he doesn’t have a student visa he has a green card Elvin says we’re going to revoke that too and they arrest

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him so the DHS seems like we can’t prove it but it seems like they got their information

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about who should be targeted with wrong information about whether they’re green card holders or

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visa from this right-wing Zionist group that’s obviously been doxing and targeting Palestinian activists and the

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the thing here that really matters is not whether Mahmud has a student visa or a green card because in either situation

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he should not be arrested or deported for his political activity for criticizing the foreign policy of the

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United States this is a totally absurd but it just shows how top down this

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whole process is this was completely out of regular procedure Eric Adams said to

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the Press o over the weekend he said that basically he has nothing he has nothing he can do about it because this

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is just a federal uh this is just Federal activity it’s Federal jurisdiction Columbia University really

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said that they they haven’t said anything they they basically said that ice can come onto campus if there’s a

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warrant but they refuse to acknowledge whether or not there was a warrant for Mahmud um everyone’s kind of pretending

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that their hands are tied and then Here Comes Marco Rubio just saying let’s just get him and let’s make an example out of

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him uh Trump tweeted about him he had this horrific uh the white put out a

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horrific tweet there he said Shalom mmud uh just like a few days ago they said

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Shalom Hamas they’ve been doing this kind of um grotesque Behavior taunting

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taunting totally taunting language and also it’s just uh even the the Israeli

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media is concerned about how uh the United States white house right now is using uh Hebrew words for to to to kind

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of characterize their own uh abuse power here it’s it’s a it’s a horrific um

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development in from the White House and it’s something that even the Democrats now are move to say something but I want

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to say something about that Brian because like you said the Democrats have

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insisted that the only thing they can do right now is wait I mean they haven’t lifted a finger to protect anyone from

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the Trump musk policies that have been already wreaking havoc on the on the

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lives of everyday people firing masses of workers cutting Union contracts left

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and right just um coming in swinging hard and Swinging heavy and the Democrats have decided no we’re not

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going to do anything well the mass movement came out for Mahmud the mass movement in its broadest representation

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everyone came out people who uh come from different social justice struggles have all come out everyone sees

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themselves reflected in the stakes that are on the table here what happens to Mahmud affects everyone’s future um and

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so everyone has come out and that has opened the door I think for some of the Democrats to then say okay well maybe we

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should say something I mean some of these Democratic senators and Democratic voices did nothing when the genocide was

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going on in fact cheered it on um but now they’re facing a trump Administration that goes completely

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against all the things that they even would want to see happen uh and they they’ve been left hopeless the mass

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movement has shown them what to do has kind of opened the opportunity for it it’s something that I think we should we

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should investigate and understand a little bit more because um it really has a a uh the ability to change how the

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correlation of forces on the table here um and and to make some actions occur

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that wouldn’t have happened otherwise yeah these this raises some important questions for our movement for we are

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the Socialist program so we’re an avowedly explicitly socialist program we’re helping and trying to help build a

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socialist movement in the United States how do we deal with how do we think about uh conflicts within the elite

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sectors of society within the capitalist ruling class uh I think the most

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important thing is one not to become the tail to any faction of the ruling class

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to have complete Independence to realize that the salvation the end of War for instance or occupation or racism or

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colonialism it means societal revolutionary radical trans formation

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not trying to tie uh our our movement to the Lesser evil sector of the ruling

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class so I’m we don’t want to do that at the same time we don’t want to ignore

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the fact that inter Elite conflicts some sometimes open space for a larger

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intervention from the masses of people who are against the entire system or want to end War entirely or colonialism

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or in this case the occupation uh over historic Palestine

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now in 1969 I was um a young teenager I was

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organizing the moratorium a protest uh buses to go to Washington DC moratorium

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in November 1969 the week before the protest which turned out to be the biggest anti-war protest maybe the

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biggest protest ever in US history up until that time we had three buses going

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I was part of this little youth ministry in Rochester New York we had three buses we were very proud that we had gotten

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more than a 100 people to come on the bus with us and then suddenly on Monday night Tuesday Wednesday the mainstream

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media NBC CBS started talking about this oh this great moratorium was coming

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people were going to Washington to protest against the war in Vietnam suddenly like we were the cats meow it

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was kind of like all right uh this is cool and within a couple days we had 20

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buses because the mainstream capitalist owned media started talking about the

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protest movement why did they do that because there was a split in the US ruling class where one sector of the

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ruling class had determined the war in Vietnam was unwinable that it was going to cost America more to keep fighting

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rather than to withdraw and so they started to promote the movement that’s the power of the capitalist media again

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we see fracturing within inter Elite uh circles right now over the Trump

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administration’s very aggressive right-wing extremist positions trying to change the form of governance and mm’s

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case is in some ways being used to channel some of this inter Elite conflict again we don’t want to become

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uh the tail to the kite of any faction of the ruling class but it would be silly on the part of the left to not

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take uh cognizance of the fact that this creates some space uh again I think this

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is what’s happening look at what’s happening at the Tesla dealerships all over the country country the scientists

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are out in the streets scientists generally don’t protest they’re in the streets right now there’s another

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women’s march called for April 5th uh the immigration uh rights movement and

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immigration support apparatuses are being created around the country there is a it hasn’t congealed yet into a big

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broad offensive and when it does we want to make sure that we’re not following the Democratic party which as you

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pointed out facilitated the genocide carried out all kinds of repression against Palestinian uh not just

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Palestinian students but against all the students who are protesting in support of Palestine or against the genocide in

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Gaza anyway we have to think about this with its political complexity and not be

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sort of uh sort of one-dimensional uh kind of activists or organizers who

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don’t really appreciate the sort of inter complex political struggle that’s

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unfolding and I I think it’s also so important alongside what you’ve just raised Brian is also to think about what

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the Trump Administration was trying to do here and we opened with this but I think it’s important to return to in

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this conversation the Trump Administration has already failed they wanted to deport Mahmud in order to

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scare everyone they’ve already failed and they haven’t yet deported Mahmud and they may fail in that too and it’s very

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likely that they will and I hope they do um but what they’ve done has actually backfired uh they thought that like

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anyone who puts out a Witch Hunt it’s a classic Witch Hunt The Witch Hunt is intended to make example of a few people

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in order to get everyone else to abide by a new reality a new regime a new uh

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Way new conditions of how people behave well they tried this they uh they

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isolated Mahmud they focused in on Mahmud they said more are coming in the weeks leading up to this moment uh we

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all knew that something was happening because the Department of Justice sent people to 10 universities across the

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country they had been making many aggressive comments publicly on social media um to the Israeli media even Leo

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Terell uh who was overseeing the anti-Semitism task force that was just newly created he went on Israeli media

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and he said we intend to put these students away for many years not just 24 hours I mean really aggressive threats

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this was the climate in which mahmud’s high-profile arrest occurred Trump

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clearly wanted this to be high-profile otherwise he wouldn’t be tweeting about it Marco Rubio wouldn’t be talking about

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it Trump is tweeting about it himself yes exactly and so their plan was to make this high-profile it’s totally

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backfired already because people are not just protesting in New York where Mahmud is known and loved and recognizable

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people are protesting across the country there have been protests in DC there have been protests in California there

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have been protests across the US sou us us South people from not just the student movement not just the the

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Palestine movement not just the Immigrant Rights Movement people from all walks of life are coming out it’s

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unifying people rather than isolating dividing and scaring people I really

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think we need to emphasize that the White House has already failed in their mission with mahmud’s arrest I couldn’t

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agree with you more I mean they said this is the first of many to come right now I we know Lam because we’re in touch

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with the movement in the streets and the movement on the college campuses a lot of students are worried the students who

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are here on visas who participated at all in protests of any type they’re

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worried right now even if they actually didn’t protest but they just posted on social media they’re worried it’s

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natural it’s understandable you have the full weight of the government seemingly with the Trump administration’s pledge

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to like basically Deport people end their education and Deport them seize them put them in ice deten facilities

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and then Deport them because they stood up against the genocide so people are nervous and scared to some to some

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extent that’s why fighting back and winning is so important because if

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everybody Retreats then they they win the repressive suppressive State apparatus wins if people fight back and

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if we show we can win even a small victory victories tend to build upon themselves and I think that’s what’s so

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encouraging about this moment and again the spineless Democrats well they’re not just spineless they’re

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imperialist you know an imperialist party they were all about suppressing

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the students in the encampments and Cornell University this was during the Biden Administration a PhD graduate

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student and um also a professor there was terminated because they saw him at

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an encampment Cornell saw him and so the Democratic party did nothing for these people except add on to the repression

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but now the fight back has started on a different level and you see the additional cracks within the

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establishment I have another video I want to play it’s uh Senator Chris Murphy from Connecticut not an

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Anti-Imperialist not anti-war not pro Palestine uh but representative of a

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sector within the ruling class that is alarmed that Trump’s efforts to create a

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right-wing political dictatorship first by repressing Palestinian students or

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Arab students or students on visas that that’s going to lead to a larger sort of

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creation of a right-wing political dictatorship Murphy is speaking very clearly about what’s at stake let’s

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listen to this clip and then I want to get your thoughts a young man by the name of mmud khil an immigrant and a

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legal permanent resident of the United States is being held right now in prison even though no criminal charges have

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been filed against him now I want to tell you why that should matter to every single American khil is a recent

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graduate of Columbia University he opposed Israel’s military operation in Gaza he has deep animous toward Israel’s

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policies and the US support for those policies he helped organize the protests over Gaza at his university last year

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you can disagree with his views or his politics but there is no evidence he has

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broken any law this is useful for mmud like number

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one we want to get him out of the ad ice Detention Center we want to get him back uh with his family uh we want him to be

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a free man so number one the more support that is able to be garnered the better at the same time we see these

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divisions these fractures within Elite ruling class politics uh I don’t think

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you would have seen Chris Murphy talking about Palestinian students being repressed during the Biden

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Administration so he has his own reasons partly against the right-wing political dictatorship and partly because uh Trump

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is not a Democrat I mean it’s that narrow so we’re not going to follow Chris Murphy but we do acknowledge the

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fact that this is opening up an opportunity for the real left the Anti-Imperialist left to reach a broader

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section of society it’s actually kind of amazing Brian what it’s done to the Democrats it like Chris Murphy he’s on a

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completely opposite page then like you said he would never have been defending the rights of uh the student movement

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for Palestine just 6 months ago 7 months ago uh now he’s completely he’s put in a

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completely different position and he is now publicly defending the right of students to protest against genocide

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this is so important and it actually helps the pro Palestine movement with the Trump Administration they were

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trying with a variety of ways not just intimidating the student movement but the way in which they’ve been dealing

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with Israel the way in which they have been now they have facilitated the

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destruction of the ceasefire agreement in Gaza and they are trying to bully

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their way into a new agreement uh or a new reality the way in which they have gone back to uh Ultra demonizing

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language for anyone who supports the Palestinian cause they’ve been threatening the entire movement since

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before they came into office that creates a situation in which we have to as the movement not lose what

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we’ve gained over the past year and a half we gained something very significant over the last year and a half in the fight for Gaza in the fight

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against the genocide millions of people’s minds were transformed their

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opinions have changed or have grown in favor of the Palestinian cause Mass

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public Consciousness has gone further towards the Palestinian cause something like 90% of students was the latest poll

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I saw 90% of students on us campuses support Palestine that is huge the Young

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Generation in particular is in its vast majority going towards Palestine that is

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going to change the reality on the ground and change what the White House can or can’t do in the future this is

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extremely important Trump wanted to roll all that back he wanted to demonize the Palestinian movement he wanted to

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demonize the protesters he wanted to make people afraid to support them well now other people in the White House who

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share many of the same imperialist interests who have the same imperialist agenda who have been uh defending the

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special relationship with Israel who have been defending the US role in in the genocide are now forced to defend

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the pro Palestine movement of course we’re not waiting for them to do that we’re not you know going to rely on them

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for anything but we’re watching it happen and we we have to be able to take the opportunities as they come we need

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to now push the the Palestine Pro Palestine movement to even broader reaches we can make more bring more

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people into the struggle more people can see that actually standing with Palestine is a good thing standing

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against genocide is a good thing standing for people who are being victimized by the billions of dollars

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that are going towards uh bombs and um military weapons and not going towards

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schools and not going towards Healthcare this is an obvious choice it’s a Natural Choice so I think this is a very major

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development and something that we really need to analyze closely as a movement I couldn’t agree more and again I think

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it’s worth having both sort of a strategic tactical and historical

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perspective as movement Builders because that’s what we are we’re not talking about these things because it’s

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interesting we’re involved as organizers in the movement public opinion does matter uh

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some people on the left say well what’s the point of having these demonstrations what’s the point of

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having a change in public opinion because the genocide hasn’t stopped well again for historical perspective the

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anti-war movement during the Vietnam era went on for a long time and I heard that refrain over and over again what’s the

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point of all of these demonstrations the war keeps going and going and going well what did actually happen there was a

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split finally as I talked about earlier within the ruling class one section of the ruling class thought no we have to

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end this thing the other thing is the anti-war movement U message started to

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go deeply among American Soldiers and Sailors and Marines and there were hundreds perhaps thousands of kind of

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small mutinies and some big mutinies by Rank and file uh GIS against the brass I

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mean there were people who were not willing to go back into battle to take a hill and then be you know used as bait

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so that us could bring in Firepower they didn’t want to keep being bait anymore and so the soldiers stopped fighting as

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a matter of fact they were turning against their officers sometimes they were killing their officers it was called fragging I mean there was

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basically great demoralization within the military then you had the mainstream

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media also starting to promote the message look this is an unwinable war that changed the political uh situation

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now how does it impact the war in Vietnam itself well it wasn’t a replacement for the National Liberation

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Front armies or for their ability to shoot down B-52 bombers and they shot

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down 25% of them in the spring of 1972 when they got

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strategic surface to air missiles from the Soviet Union you can’t that’s that’s another arena in a National Liberation

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movement the battlefield itself but what Nixon and Kissinger and the war makers

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couldn’t do is they could not escalate because if they escalated popular opinion in the United States was going

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to make this country explode and so it becomes a factor not the decisive Factor but an important

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factor in struggles for National Liberation the Vietnamese nurtured the

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Vietnamese who are fighting for Liberation they nurtured every current in support of anti-war opposition in the

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US from the radical most radical students who wore crash helmets to protests because they were anticipating

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a clash to to clergy members who were having you know pacifist sermons on

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Sunday or Saturday uh it didn’t matter the Vietnamese were like yes it’s all good uh the for the Palestinian people I

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also think we have to keep going with this thing we have to divest and have sanctions and have protests and have

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things happen all over Society because ultimately when the United States feels that Israel is a liability the

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Palestinian people’s own resilience and steadfast will function in a way that will make the Zionist project actually

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impossible to continue this is a longterm National Liberation movement and for those of us in the movement we

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have to have a full appreciation we have to keep going we have to be steadfast we also have to appreciate the sort of

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nuances that are obviously now present in the solidarity movement one of the

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things that we had been repeating to ourselves and to everyone who we were

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meeting in the movement over the past year and a half actually from the beginning of this wave of the movement

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for Palestine was that this is going to be a long struggle not a long struggle in like centuries we actually think that

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the liberation of Palestine is real that it’s something that can happen that it’s something that should happen and it’s

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actually something that we can fight for this is a realist IC uh Horizon we want to make this happen and we’re not just

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you know putting our wishes into the air but that it is going to be a long struggle in the fact that we’re going to

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have to navigate many different conditions many different political moments many different ups and downs

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there’s going to be small victories and small setbacks there’s going to be many different kinds of things that we have

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to do we have to be able to speak uh to politicians we have to be able to

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organize Mass protests we have to be able to hold educationals we have to be able to uh uh engage with the media

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there’s so many we have to be able to develop art and culture that brings the Palestinian cause to the hearts of

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people not just the minds of of of the population we have to do many different

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things and we have to do it for a long period what we’re seeing now is that we have the movement for Palestine is

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really not tired it’s not going away when is the last time since maybe since uh Vietnam or the Iraq invasion actually

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you could tell me better Brian but I when is the last time that a mass movement in the United States has

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persisted for more than 18 months uh usually the capitalists can can break a

35:08

mass movement very quickly because they you know they put everything towards it well they’ve been throwing everything at

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this mass movement in Palestine including trying to deport its leaders and uh it’s actually still growing

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broader growing stronger and bringing people who are personally farther away from the Palestinian cause it’s not just

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Arabs and Palestinians that you see on the streets it’s people from all walks of life all uh different kinds of uh

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employment all different communities people who are they really feel unified by the Palestinian cause I want to play

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one last clip and then we’re almost done um because we we’re moving to the finish line but this is Mike Johnson he’s the

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leader of the Republican Party in the House of Representatives speaker of the house um anyway I want to play this clip

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and then I want to say a few things and get you your last final thoughts if you’re on a student visa I’m going to

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say this clearly if you are on a student visa and you’re in America and you’re an aspiring young terrorist who wants to pray upon your Jewish classmates you’re

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going home we’re going to arrest your tail and we’re going to send you home

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where you belong and that this is just getting started

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so this guy is a real character Michael Johnson he was whining earlier in that

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same interview about how scared he felt when he came to Columbia University during the encampments but how can mmud

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get a fair Hearing in the United States when you have the Speaker of the House calling him an aspiring terrorist and

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what’s the basis of his like using that characterization aspiring terrorist it’s

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because mmud spoke out he’s a he’s a good speaker he’s an eloquent speaker in support of of the Palestinian people

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against the the genocide and Gaza in support of the encampments um you know what is this

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what is Terrorism here the Palestinians including mmud are not terrorists the

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Palestinians want an end to an injustice they want to be able to have their

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homelands back I asked mop pelled um who was the son of an Israeli

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General a very prominent Israeli General uh who is now an activist in support of Palestine he is also a wonderful author

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and he’s been a guest on the show I said what’s the future of Israel look like what will happen to the iist Colonial

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project and he said well there’s really two choices you either have a

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parthe or you have democracy democracy meaning where Muslims Christians Jews

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live together as they historically live together at peace but where there wasn’t

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one people who were the chosen people and could deprive the other people of

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their rights in other words uh one state solution and anti- apart State a non-ap

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partite state Mike Johnson says people who want that are

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terrorists it’s actually the terrorists are in Tel Aviv the terrorists are in

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Washington DC giving 2,000lb bombs to the terrorists in Tel Aviv to drop on

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civilians in Gaza this is allice in Wonderland reality turned upside down

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but again I think mik pet is right I think mmud khil is right what people are fighting for is not some terrorist

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Vision but a free Palestine which means a Palestine free of aparte anyway I’ll

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give you the last word the White House and Tel Aviv are attempting to

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completely invert all these definitions they want to say that the genocide is self-defense they want to say that being

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an anti-racist anti-genocide uh uh uh uh protester organizer is to be

38:52

anti-semitic they want to say that to stand up against genocide is Terrorism

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and to carry out a genocide is defense all these things they want to basically change how we think of right and wrong

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but that is not going to happen we can’t let that happen we also can’t let them set the terms if you look at some of the

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right-wing media you look at what Trump is saying you look at what Marco Rubio is saying you you look at the the

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conservative the ultra right uh take on this their attempt that what they’re trying to do is say Mahmud is a danger

39:23

to uh National Security because he’s pro- Hamas they’re basically equating

39:29

one uh being uh Pro Palestine with being they’re trying to scare people into

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saying well Hamas is terrorist and so if you’re for Palestine you’re for terrorism we can’t let them reframe

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reality like this we need to actually put reality back on the table and that’s what the mass movement for Palestine is doing when people ask some of the

39:48

reporters asked well why are you out here at the protest today some of the pro the reporters asked why are you out

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here aren’t you scared aren’t you scared that you two coming out here are going to be called pramas don’t you think

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you’re walking a thin line here and that’s that’s actually not the reality we have to tell everybody the line is

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actually very clear the line is not a thin line it has nothing to do with whether you’re prass or not the line has

40:13

to do with whether you’re Pro genocide or not and it’s a very clear line in the S sand we drew that line as the mass

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movement over a year and a half ago and that’s how history is going to remember it too on which side did you stand did

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you stand for the genocide or did you stand against the genocide now mm Khal

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is someone who stood against the genocide the majority of people across the world will also stand against

40:37

genocide we need to make sure that everybody sees that line very clearly and we also need to make sure that we

40:44

don’t let up the the fight for mahmud’s release because we will not let the Trump Administration set those terms as

40:52

precedent or change those definitions we know actually what’s right and wrong all right we’re going to leave it there and

40:58

you’re either Pro genocide or anti-genocide don’t be a bystander in the face of

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genocide if you’re a bystander you’re not an innocent bystander because everyone can see that this is an actual

41:10

genocide millions of people lay in are in the streets Millions more are going to come into the streets this struggle

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is going to continue until there is a free Palestine thanks so much for joining thanks so much for having me

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Israel Has Been Trying To Ban Free Speech For Years

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRzk-zQgI-U)

Mahmoud Khalil’s arrest culminates a years-long campaign of the Israel lobby to criminalize its critics and shut down pro-Palestinian student activism.

BT’s Kei Pritsker goes through the long history of the attacks on free speech, for which Palestine is now the litmus tes

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will we ban free speech in America so

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Israel can continue committing genocide

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that’s the question you probably saw

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that on Saturday DHS agents followed a

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Palestinian Columbia student Mahmud

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halil into his apartment building and

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said they had a warrant for his arrest

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halil who was one of the lead

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negotiators in the Columbia University

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Gaza solidarity encampment and is a

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permanent resident in the United States

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was arrested in front of his 8- months

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pregnant wife and is now facing

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deportation ice sent him to be detained

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in rural Louisiana as far away from his

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family and lawyers as possible currently

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a judge has halted the deportation

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process and what comes next is yet to be

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seen in a statement a DHS spokesperson

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said halil was arrested because he quote

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LED activities aligned to Hamas but we

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all know that is real crime was helping

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lead the movement against Israel’s

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genocide which ironically is the actual

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crime at play here this is part of a

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yearslong campaign by the Israel Lobby

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to basically Outlaw any criticism of

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Israel in the United States here’s what

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you need to know public opinion has

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become Israel’s Achilles heel in the US

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people are starting to wake up to the

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fact that Israel is in some kind of

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pluralistic democracy it’s an ethnostate

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meaning it’s a country based on the

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demographic supremacy of one ethnic

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group over another the whole point of

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Israel as a country is to create a

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Jewish majority in Palestine by bringing

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Jews from all across the world to kick

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the native Palestinians out and build

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Jewish only cities in their place every

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single place and every single has every

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little little spot everything is the je

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not the single Beast for other people

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only for us well we don’t have time to

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go through the entire history of this we

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made a video about it called Israel’s

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goal has always been ethnic cleansing

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which you can search up on YouTube but

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the point here is that more and more

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people are becoming acutely aware that

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Israel isn’t this tiny victimized

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country that it says it is Israel’s post

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October 7th genocide completely

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shattered this narrative not just the

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massacres but the videos

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the

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chance the

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concerts the Tik Tock Trends The

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Branding of Palestinian prisoners with

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the Star of David the Israeli Army

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looting lingre from Palestinian women

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they had killed let’s not forget Israel

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nearly descended into a civil war

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because Israelis felt like Israeli

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soldiers had a right to rape palestin

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Prisoners the whole framing of Israel as

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this helpless victim has been completely

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shattered by the images of a country

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reving in Slaughter and land theft

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you’ll see this written everywhere in

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pro-israel Publications that the

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greatest International threat to Israel

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now isn’t Hamas or hezb it’s losing

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their whole International legitimacy as

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a state protests court cases and mass

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discussion of Israel’s crimes have

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reshaped Global Consciousness and

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undermined the foundational apartheid

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principle principles of the state this

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is why Israel has spent years trying to

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criminalize protests and Free Speech in

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the United States there’s no doubt that

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the White House itself made the decision

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to arrest Mahmud Helio Trump had in fact

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personally honored the arresting agent

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years ago it’s part of the

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administration’s political offensive to

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whip the universities into line and

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attack the Palestine movement at the

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same time but what’s not being discussed

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is the Israel Lobby’s role in all this

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Trump’s cabinet is stuffed to the brim

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with people who are closely connected to

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the Israel Lobby Marco Rubio Mike

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Huckabee Pete heg Elise stonic Elon Musk

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Mike Waltz RFK Jr Pam Bondi Tulsi gabard

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I actually don’t think there’s anyone in

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his cabinet who doesn’t support Israel

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one of the Trump campaign’s largest

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donors was Miram adson who’s a

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billionaire in Israel first mega donor

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that put over $100 million into the

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Trump campaign the Israel Lobby also

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openly aided the Trump Administration in

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finding the students in this deportation

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effort an Israeli group called barar us

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which is basically the US arm of the

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far-right Israeli lud party had been

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sending names of pro Palestine student

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activists to the Trump Administration

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for deportation to give you a sense of

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these people they posted recently that

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they wanted Israel to kill more

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Palestinian children literally that’s

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something they actually posted on

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Twitter they openly called for the

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students on the list they sent to the

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Trump Administration to be deported and

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brag that they would send even more

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names this was only a few weeks before

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Mahmud was arrested Israel was was also

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heavily involved in pushing the US Tik

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Tok ban according to records one of the

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main pro-israel lobby groups the

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Anti-Defamation League and another Pro

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isal Group hadassa lobbied in favor of

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the Tik Tok ban the ADL called it an

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anti-semitic conspiracy theory that they

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were trying to ban Tik Tok even though

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the CEO of the ADL himself Jonathan

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greenblat said multiple times on record

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that the app should be banned we need to

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talk about Tik Tock Tik Tock if you will

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it is the is the 24/7 news channel of so

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many of our young people and it’s like

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Al jazer on steroids amplifying and

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intensifying the anti-Semitism and the

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anti- Zion with no repercussions I’ve

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got to ask Joe like there’s been a lot

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of Lamentations about the fact that Tik

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tok’s ownership is Chinese but you know

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what Oracle owns 10% of the company

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general Atlantic owns piece of the

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company um our friends at seoa Capital

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own a piece of the company so does Kya

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and general Atlantic does oracle want to

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be responsible for spreading

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anti-zionism and anti-Semitism it’s time

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to talk about Tik Tock and I think we

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need members of Congress to be asking

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them why aren’t they doing it up

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capturing tick talk might seem less

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meaningful than holding on to Mount

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Hermon lialis tweets certainly might

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seem less deadly than missiles from

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Yemen but this is urgent because the

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next war will be decided based on how

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Israel and its allies perform online as

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much as offline prominent Israel Lobby

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politicians like Ted Cruz Lindsey Graham

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and Nikki Haley also cited anti-israel

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content as the reason they supported

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punitive action against Tik Tok many of

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the most Draconian speech laws that have

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been passed in the United States in the

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last few years have been laws regulating

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speech related to Israel throughout the

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2010s Israel Lobby groups were pushing

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law that made support for the

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Palestinian solidarity movement boycott

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divestment and sanctions a firable

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offense these laws which were written

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almost identically forc government

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contractors to pledge that they wouldn’t

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boycott Israeli products refusing to

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sign would result in not being hired or

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being denied state funding in one famous

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case Empire files journalist Abby Martin

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was disinvited from a speaking event at

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Georgia Southern University because she

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refused to sign a pledge saying she

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wouldn’t boycott Israel the ADL and APAC

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the American Israel public affairs

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committee endorsed and pushed these laws

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which picked up the nickname loyalty o

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despite the adl’s own internal reporting

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expressing concern that trying to censor

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prop Palestine speech would only Garner

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more support for the cause there are 37

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states in America that have passed these

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anti-s speech laws the main Israel Lobby

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group in Washington APAC shapes US

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policy on Israel by interfering in US

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Congressional elections and

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Congressional Affairs it pushes every

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candidate running for congress to take a

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stance on Israel and then directs

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massive cash flows to the candidate with

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more pro-israel views if there’s any

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candidate that refuses to support Israel

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or is even marginally critical of it

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APAC will support the candidate’s

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opponent and spend tens of millions of

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dollars launching a smear campaign

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against that candidate this is precisely

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what happened in Progressive

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Congressional incumbents like Cory Bush

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and Jamal Bowman once pro-israel members

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are in Congress they’re showered with

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gifts fancy dinners and donations to

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keep them loyal when big bills

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concerning Israel come up they get their

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talking points from APAC lobbyists

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there’s a really good documentary about

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how the Israel Lobby operates in America

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called the lobby us which you can find

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on the electronic antifa’s YouTube page

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I definitely recommend watching it a few

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years ago there was an entire

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controversy manufactured by the Israel

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Lobby that it was actually anti-semitic

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to say that APAC money was influencing

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members of Congress but if you go on

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apac’s Twitter they brag about how they

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win 95% of elections they intervene in

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and directly claimed responsibility for

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Bush and Bowman’s defeats so in other

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words they can say they influence

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elections but we can’t even though the

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Israel Lobby is trying hard to sustain

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us support for Israel it’s not working

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at all new polling data from Gallup

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shows us support for Israel at its

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lowest level in at least 24 years Mahmud

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halil’s arrest was the latest

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temperature check on this with the

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petition demanding is release getting

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2.2 million signatures in 3 days after

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16 months of politicians resorting to

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genocide denial to continue arming and

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financing Israel people are tired of

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being told that we’re the ones in the

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wrong right now Israel is cutting off

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humanitarian Aid to millions of people

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they relentlessly carpet bombed for over

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a year people are tired of the constant

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gaslighting from the pro-israel

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politicians myself included I know mahm

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personally I was at the Colombia

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encampment with him and interviewed him

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a bunch of times about his story his

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family his dream to see the occupation

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end so he can go back to Palestine with

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his loved ones the question for us is

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how far does this go what’s next the New

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York governor recently told the city it

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couldn’t even have a Palestinian studies

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Professor should we also ban books about

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Palestine should we make it anti-semitic

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to use the word Palestine should we

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throw people in jail for saying that

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Israel shouldn’t be allowed to bribe

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politicians what exactly is the limit

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the attack on Mahmud isn’t just an

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attack on one activist at Columbia it’s

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about all of our rights to speak up to

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write to keep telling the truth mahmud’s

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lawyer just put out a statement that

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even though he’s in ice detention he’s

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still undaunted if Mahmood is undaunted

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from a jail cell in Louisiana the least

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we can do is be undaunted to

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Noura Erakat: Trump’s Abuses & Mahmoud Khalil’s Arrest Are Products of U.S. Imperialism Coming Home

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwilatBgp8s)

Palestinian human rights attorney Noura Erakat responds to the arrest of Columbia University student protest leader Mahmoud Khalil and situates it in the long, bipartisan history of anti-Palestine suppression of free speech. “It was the Biden administration, it was the Democratic establishment, that has created the conditions that we are now seeing taken advantage of,” she says of Khalil’s targeting by the Trump administration for deportation. Erakat calls for continued resistance and study of U.S. imperialism and Zionism in the face of racist repression. “This is the precise moment we should be studying Palestine in order to understand ourselves and what’s coming and our responsibility in the world as an imperial power.”

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Professor Nota edat she is the author of

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justice for some law on the question of

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Palestine her M Reon article for the

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Boston Review is called the boomerang

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comes back how the US backed war on

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Palestine is expanding

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authoritarianism at home if you can

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respond Professor akat to this latest

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developments uh with Mahmud and talk

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about what you mean by the boomerang

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effect uh thank you Amy I uh by the

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boomerang effect I am invoking Amy s

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martinin essayist author poet who in

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1950 wrote a searing pmic on the

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discourse and Colonial where he pointed

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a finger at European and Western leaders

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who were condemning Hitler for the

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execution of genocide within Europe

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Shores and telling them very blatantly

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that they are not different from Hitler

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but have little little Hitlers inside of

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them that they have failed to condemn

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because their violence has been Meed out

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against brown and black and Indigenous

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peoples in their colonial periphery and

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in that critique he was emphasizing that

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the Holocaust that H the Jewish

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Holocaust that happens at the hands of

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the Nazis was rehearsed on other

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indigenous black black brown colonized

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peoples and emphasizing that there is no

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violence in a colonial periphery that

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does not Boomerang back home into the

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domestic sphere and my emphasis here by

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invoking that was to show that there is

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no way to defeat fascism at home without

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combating Empire abroad in order to

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defeat US state violence at home it has

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to be confronted on both fronts of its

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domestic and its foreign image in this

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instance we have seen that Boomerang

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come home especially quickly as the

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United States under the Biden

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Administration continued fermented

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supplied made possible a genocide

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against the Palestinian people in Gaza

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for 16 months straight in order to do

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that repressed speech at home fermented

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the attack on student students expanded

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presidential Authority refused to apply

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US law denigrated international law and

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basically created spread a red carpet

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for the Trump Administration to come now

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and expand that repression to all um to

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all other uh vulnerable communities and

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I want to emphasize that this was

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possible because of the thorough

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dehumanization of Palestinians because

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of the desensitization to their

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suffering because of the racial ization

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as violent and dangerous there was not a

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blink amongst the Democratic

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establishment that children were being

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slaughtered and asking for Americans not

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to slaughter them somehow do not kill

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children became an exception when it

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came to Palestinians there was actually

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supporting the repression of

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universities of their students because

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they were described as violent and

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dangerous rather than celebrated as

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anti-war protesters in the tradition of

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University protests in this country I

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have quotes from the Biden administr

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from Biden himself excuse me where he

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says let me be clear violent protests

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will not be tolerated but peaceful

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protest is suggesting that the student

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protests were violent when 98% of them

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were nonviolent and the violent ones

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were violent specifically because of mob

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violence and because of police violence

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because of drones because of law

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enforcement that was sent out to the

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universities it was Biden who said this

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blatant anti-Semitism is reprehensible

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and dangerous it has absolutely no place

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on college campuses or anywhere in our

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country it was the Biden Administration

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it was the Democratic establishment that

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has created the conditions that we are

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now seeing taken advantage of the Trump

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Administration before has tried to gut

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women and gender studies Dei critical

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race Theory but could not do it but in

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this moment has been able to do it

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because all of the guards have been let

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down as the supposed liberal

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establishment allowed for these

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repressive regimes to be mobilized

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against Palestinians once again

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understanding us as the lowest hanging

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fruit to sacrifice rather than as the

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canary in the coal mine that has been

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telling you danger is here those

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Palestinians and their allies here on

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University campuses heroically at points

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struggled to save some sort of core

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humanitarian itarian principles in the

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United States and instead were expelled

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were suspended were doxed were denied

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graduation and now there can be no

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surprise that the Trump Administration

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is mobilizing with ease as they continue

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to use Palestinians as their trojan

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horse in order to gut the welfare state

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in order to defund universities uh in

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order to go after minority communities

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and so this message is not to point

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fingers but this message is to mobilize

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us and to stand in line that in order to

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defeat this fascist roll out

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Palestinians have to be centered

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Palestinian Humanity has to be

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recognized Palestine has to be Central

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to an agenda not because it is

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exceptional but specifically because it

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is not exceptional and it is Central to

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this agenda that is being rolled out and

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it can stand as the gate against further

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repression and and Nora erot I wanted to

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ask you the uh the the the warnings to

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more than 60 universities now that

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they’re under investigation even though

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most of those universities did exactly

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what they were told last year in terms

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of repressing uh the pro Palestinian

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protests uh the issue of how many of

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these universities over the last decades

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have increasingly relied on federal

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funds on donor private donor money uh to

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uh to keep themselves a

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now they are having to buckle even

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further under even though they they did

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what they were

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told look the universities have been

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suffering from a crisis and a neoliberal

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crisis in their funding and in their

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structure for a long time as Public

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Funding for them and subsidy has been

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declining and they become increasingly

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reliant on private uh private Capital

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includ including from weapons

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manufacturers who are more subsidized by

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the federal government than in fact the

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doe is subsidized by them they have

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become beholden to this holding pattern

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but what we get in this lesson is that

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this kind of anticipatory obedience to

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do what the administration does will not

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make you safe not at the University

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level and not at the individual level

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the only way to protect yourself is to

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protest in this moment your silence will

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be a Target not a shield there is no way

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to put your head down and to survive

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this moment and again I want to

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emphasize that paying attention to

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Palestinians will will allow you to

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understand what is coming they have long

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been the canary and the coal mine the

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Trojan Horse for conservative agendas

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they have been the experiment the guinea

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pig for State repression Steven Sala was

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the first Professor whose tenure was not

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denied but revoked RM had her

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citizenship revoked not her Green Card

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her citizenship revoke revoked the uh

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Holy Land Foundation were subject to

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trials where they had secret evidence

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Marsh against them a blatant violation

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of the sixth amendment all of them

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Palestinians the Los Angeles eight Amy

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you’ve reported on this I love your

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reporting on this and people seem to

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forget from 1987 to 2007 a 20year Witch

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Hunt against seven Palestinians in one

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Kenyan for pampling for passing out

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pamphlets for the popular uh front for

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the liberation of Palestine the pflp

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first prosecuted under the McCaron

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Walter act and when that de was deemed

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unconstitutional for its anti-communist

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Provisions then prosecuted until M under

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material support until it too was

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dropped people need to understand that

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what happens to Palestinians is not

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because we are a national security

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threat but because we have been so

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thoroughly dehumanized you cannot

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recognize our suffering and think that

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it’s somehow Justified and that is a

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Zionist narrative that has fed

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anti-palestinian racism and

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organizations that deem themselves to be

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civil rights organizations like the ADL

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rather than condemn the trampling if

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they were civil rights organizations

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rather than condemn the trampling of

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civil rights violations In This Moment

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came out and expressed appreciation for

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the Trump administration’s arrest of

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Mahmud Khal as have several other

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Zionist organizations and so this is the

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moment to develop a critical analysis of

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Zionism and understand where you stand

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on it it is certain a responsibility of

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Americans to study this because it is

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part of our politics at Hunter College

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the search for Palestine studies

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professors was cancelled this is the

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precise moment we should be studying

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Palestine in order to understand

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ourselves and what’s coming and our

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responsibility in the world as an uh

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Imperial power and instead it is being

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shut down under these precepts because

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of our failure to Grapple with Zionism

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our failure to grapple with American

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Empire our failure to understand

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Palestine and frankly our failure to

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listen to Palestinians democracy Now is

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