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Lord Rothschild Claims His Family Created Israel

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Backroom deals, betrayal, and a war that’s lasted almost a hundred years. This is what happened when the richest family in the world decided to create their own country. In 1917, the Rothschilds, the trillion-dollar family that invented modern-day banking, used their money, power, and influence to strike a secret deal with the British government.

Transkripzioa:

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back room deals betrayal and a war

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that’s lasted almost a 100 years this is

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what happened when the richest family in

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the world decided to create their own

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country in

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1917 the Roth Shields the trillion dooll

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family that invented modern-day banking

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used their money power and influence to

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strike a secret deal with the British

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government the that deal eventually led

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to the creation of the country of Israel

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but what makes this story more bizarre

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is the crazy personality of the man who

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orchestrated this deal Lord Walter Roth

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Shield Walter Roth Shield was an

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enigmatic Mega billionaire with so much

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money that instead of using horses to

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pull his Carriage he imported zebras

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from Africa just to show off this same

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bill billionaire also had a super weird

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hobby of gathering insects and bugs

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eventually amassing over a million

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butterflies moths and other

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insects the Jews are some of the most

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intelligent industrious people in the

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world however for years the millions of

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Jews scattered around Europe had been

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trying to secure a large piece of land

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to start the country of Israel but no

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matter how hard they tried they got

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nothing that was until they linked up

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with the super rich Walter Roth Shield a

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man who could change the world with the

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snap of his

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finger by the early 1900s the Roth

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shields were already the most powerful

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family in Europe they were so wealthy

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that they had even given loans to the

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entire country of France to stabilize

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the economy however aside from their

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power the Roth Shields also had a

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reputation for being extremely ruthless

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they wouldn’t hesitate to wield their

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power as a weapon to bulldoze through

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their enemies and Crush anyone who

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opposed them if the Roth Shields wanted

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something they better get it or they’d

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be hell to pay Walter Roth shield made

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the calls he needed to make pulled the

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strings he needed to pull and in

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1917 the British government sent Walter

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an official letter promising to do

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everything within their power to provide

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land for the creation of

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Israel that letter redesigned the map of

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the world and if you need proof we have

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a copy of that letter November the 2nd

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1917 dear Lord Rothchild I have much

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pleasure in conveying to you on behalf

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of his Majesty’s government that the

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following Declaration of sympathy with

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Jewish Zionist aspirations which has

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been submitted to and approved by the

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cabinet so it’s possibly the most famous

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letter in modern Jewish history and it

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begins with three words dear Lord

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Rothchild that letter nicknamed The

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balford Declaration is proof that it was

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the Roth Shield family that created

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Israel but there’s even more evidence in

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this interview the head of the Roth

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Shield family proudly explains how his

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ancestors created Israel the interviewer

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Begins by asking the question that was

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on everyone’s mind why was it that this

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letter was sent by the foreign secretary

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to your great Uncle Walter the reason is

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obvious because it was the Roth Shield’s

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money power and influence that made the

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British government fall in line

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years later Britain kept their promise

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to the Roth Shields and provided a large

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piece of land to start Israel and in May

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1948 the state of Israel was officially

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created although this was good news the

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Roth shields were just getting started

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what the Roth Shields did next was even

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more

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impressive they invested millions of

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dollars into Israel building schools

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roads and everything needed to turn that

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piece of land into a beautiful country

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James Roth Shield single-handedly paid

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for Israel’s Congress building while

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Dorothy d Roth Shield paid for Israel’s

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Supreme Court building however the more

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money the Roth Shield spent the more

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problems they

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created why because the land the British

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gave to Israel actually belonged to

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another group group of people called the

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Palestinians and that land dispute

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sparked the series of conflicts between

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Israelis and Palestinians that’s gone on

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for

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decades but we’re not here to talk about

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the war we’re talking about power

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specifically the power of the Roth

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Shield

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Dynasty whatever you’ve heard about how

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powerful the Roth Shields are is nothing

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compared to the true scale of their

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influence YouTube has dozens of videos

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about the Roth Shields but this one is

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different because instead of merely

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talking about the Roth Shields we’ll

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sift through centuries of History to

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reveal five times the Roth Shield family

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used money violence and power to reshape

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reality and mold the world in their own

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image starting with the time when the

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roths Shields invented the banking

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industry that we have today and the way

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they did it is more brutal than you can

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imagine the Roth Shields didn’t get into

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banking because they wanted to make the

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world a better place they did it because

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they wanted power and this thirst for

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power started in

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1744 with mayor Amell Roth shield from a

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young age mayor lived by the code that

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money is power but even though he needed

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money to get power mayor was born to a

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middle-income family living in the

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ghettos of

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Frankfurt however mayor had a plan to go

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from Rags to

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Riches as a young man he began a money

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lending business he started with a small

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amount and gradually grew his Capital

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though this sounds pretty

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straightforward the big problem with

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money lending is that people sometimes

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don’t pay back what they borrow but

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mayor was a hard man and he did whatever

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was necessary to get his loans paid with

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interest even from a young age he

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developed a reputation as someone you

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shouldn’t mess with mayor also

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maneuvered himself to become the

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personal banker of members of the German

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royal family over time mayor’s small

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money lending and exchange business

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ballooned into a successful financial

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institution but despite all his success

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mayor knew that there was one enemy that

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could destroy everything he had built

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and that enemy was

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time as mayor grew old he taught his

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financial skills to his five Sons more

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importantly he also taught them that

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success isn’t only based on their

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ability to manage money but also to

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manipulate people and situations to

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their

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advantage the game of money is deadly

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and mayor taught his sons to be more

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brutal than anyone they

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faced after teaching them everything he

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knew mayor sent his five Sons Amell

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Solomon Nathan Carl and Jacob to

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different parts of Europe to dominate

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the banking sector he figured if a Roth

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Shield controlled the flow of money in

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the different parts of Europe then the

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Roth Shields would be the most powerful

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family in Europe because money is power

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and the one who controls the money has

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all the

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power the Roth shield brothers spread

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their banking business to different

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cities like London Paris Vienna and

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Naples they applied the shrewd tactics

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their father taught them

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and it worked very soon the Roth Shields

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had created the world’s First

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International Bank this Roth Shield

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strategy created the blueprint for how

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banks open International branches today

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International Banks exist because the

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Roth Shields did it first but they had

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more banking moves in store the Roth

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Shields also invented the concept of

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using government bonds to raise money

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for the government as they controlled

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more and more money the Roth Shields

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became more and more powerful than

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entire governments years later when

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countries wanted to set up central banks

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guess who they

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called the Roth Shields the Roth Shields

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helped create central banks in many

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countries like the bank of England and

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the bank def France the next time you

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walk into a bank say thank you to the

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Roth Shields although for every good

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thing the Roth Shields did they also did

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equally brutal things like making money

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off the death and Slaughter of millions

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of

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people this brings us to the second time

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the Roth Shields changed reality when

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they decided the fate of the Free

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World in the 1800s Napoleon bonapart was

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on a mission to take over the world

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Napoleon was the greatest military

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strategist on Earth he could outthink

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outwit and outsmart anyone on the

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battlefield the problem with Napoleon

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was that he wasn’t satisfied with merely

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being a rich soldier in the French army

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he wanted to rule the world and so he

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launched a campaign to fight and Conquer

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every country in the world till he was

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ruler of the

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universe how crazy is that at first

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first people thought Napoleon was

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overrated but they started taking him

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seriously when he kept defeating his

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enemies on the

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battlefield at a certain point it seemed

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like Napoleon was going to become the

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most powerful man in the world even

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though at the time the Roth shields were

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the most powerful people in Europe and

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so in an attempt to maintain their power

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the Roth Shields did something so evil

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that it could make the devil cry while

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the world was fighting against Napoleon

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the Roth Shields decided to play Both

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Sides war is expensive the British

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needed money to pay soldiers and buy

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weapons any delay in getting the

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necessary weapons could allow Napoleon’s

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Army to rush in and defeat the British

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the Roth Shields took advantage of this

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situation to give quick loans to the

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British government if lending to

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individuals was profitable imagine how

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much more profit profitable lending to a

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government was even though the Roth

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Shield loans came with heavy interest it

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was what they did next that showed their

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diabolical genius the Roth Shields went

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behind the backs of the British and

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offered loans to Napoleon too by the

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year 1815 the Roth shields were

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supplying Napoleon with gold and silver

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to buy weapons to attack the British and

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at the same time were supplying the

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British with money for guns and bombs to

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attack Napoleon they did this so no

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matter who won the war the Roth Shields

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would be on The Winning

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Side whoever won would also owe the Roth

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Shields millions of pounds meaning the

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Roth Shields would still be the most

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powerful banking family in Europe but

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their strategy had a fatal flaw

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by giving money to both sides they were

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indirectly prolonging the war each day

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hundreds of soldiers were slaughtered on

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the battlefields because the Roth

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shields were funding the war eventually

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the war ended when Napoleon Was Defeated

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at the Battle of watero the British

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Coalition forces had won and they owed

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the Roth Shields a lot of money at the

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end of the war the Roth shields were

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even more powerful instead of

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celebrating the Roth Shields had one

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more card they wanted to play and by the

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time they played that card their wealth

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would increase H hundredfold in just 24

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hours this is the third time the Roth

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Shields played the world remember when

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we said Napoleon Was Defeated at the

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Battle of waterl while everyone saw it

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as a final battle for control of the

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world the Roth Shields saw it as an

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opportunity to increase their wealth and

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they did it in the most terrible way to

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understand what they did you need to

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understand how the stock exchange and

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bonds work but we’ll explain it as

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simple as possible the Roth Shields knew

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that if Napoleon won the battle everyone

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in Britain would be disappointed and

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that disappointment would affect the

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price of the pound sterling on the stock

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exchange because the pound sterling is

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the official currency of the British

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on the other hand if the British won

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then the pound sterling would become

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more valuable and increase in price on

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the stock exchange and so Nathan Roth

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Shield paid a spy to wait on the

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battlefield to see who won the battle so

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the Spy watched the battle from his

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hiding place and saw that Napoleon Was

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Defeated what he did next was

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legendary the Spy sent a pigeon to

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Nathan informing him that the British

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had won this meant that the pound

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sterling was going to be more valuable

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on the stock market but nobody else knew

15:08

the British had won because the official

15:10

British horse messenger hadn’t arrived

15:13

in London yet Nathan knew something

15:17

nobody else did and he used this

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information in a way only a heartless

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man would instead of celebrating

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Britain’s Victory Nathan ordered his

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agents to spread fake news that Napoleon

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had won when people heard this fake news

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it caused Panic selling of the British

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Bonds on the stock exchange the Panic

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selling caused the price of the pound

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sterling to drop and then Nathan the

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same man who spread the fake news

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ordered his agents to buy up all the

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bonds people were selling at rock bottom

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prices 24 hours later when the official

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government messenger arrived with news

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that the British had won it was already

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too

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late the British Victory made the pound

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sterling shoot up in value and because

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the Roth Shields had bought so much on

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the stock market it made the Roth

16:16

Shields incredibly wealthy overnight

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according to reports the Roth Shields

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made the equivalent of $6

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billion due to that single

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move and this set the stage for the next

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time Roth Shields changed the world by

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controlling how people think here’s how

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they did it the Roth Shields had amassed

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more money than they could spend in

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their lifetime and the five Sons taught

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their children the same lessons their

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father had taught them very soon the

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Next Generation had the opportunity to

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put those lessons into

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practice as as the years went by and

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technology advanced devices like the

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radio and television were invented

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information was no longer spread using

17:08

horseback Riders all you had to do was

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switch on the radio or TV and you could

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see and hear news from all over the

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world this was a new era and the Roth

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Shield saw it as a

17:23

threat they had lived their lives by the

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principle that money is power

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but this new generation of Roth Shields

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realized that information is a new form

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of power if you can control the

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information people hear you can control

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what they

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do according to sources the Roth Shield

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secretly invested in media companies

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television networks Hollywood Production

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Studios and

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newspapers the data on exactly how many

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media companies the Roth Shield’s own is

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difficult to find however with an

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abundance of money they could pay

18:05

whatever price to gain control of the

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world’s

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media the Roth Shields controlled the

18:11

flow of money for decades and then

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captured the flow of information as well

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they were now in a position of power

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that no one in the world had ever seen

18:22

before the Roth Shield’s fifth chess

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move is right out of their playbook

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apart from media the Roth Shields made

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investments in other Industries they

18:33

formed the Roth Shield group and through

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money at the most important companies in

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the world from the USA to Japan to

18:42

Switzerland their stakes in these

18:44

companies gave them more power to steer

18:46

the world’s Affairs if they wanted to

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they could influence the price of items

18:52

and control the demand and supply of

18:56

products and services

18:59

no one exactly knows how much the Roth

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Shields actually have because they’ve

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become extremely private allthough

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estimates say the Roth Shield’s own

19:09

assets worth $1 trillion or

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more whatever the exact amount the Roth

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Shields are definitely sitting on the

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largest pile of wealth in history the

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Roth Shields are the ultimate rags to

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richest story they are living proof that

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money is power

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and that with enough power you can rule

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the

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world

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Killing Arabs ‘not a motivator’ in shifting US policy: Ex-US army officer on why he quit | Real Talk

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After 13 years in the US military, Harrison Mann resigned his position as an army intelligence officer in protest at how the US is handling the war on Gaza.

This week on Real Talk we unpacked with Mann his decision, asking him about his thought process before submitting his resignation and the conversations he was having leading up to his decision.

We also spoke about the relationship between the US and Israel when it comes to intelligence-sharing, and why he believes that Palestinian and Arab deaths ‘is not a motivator’ when it comes to shifting US policy in the region.

Real Talk is a Middle East Eye interview show hosted by Mohamed Hashem that delves into the stories and experiences of a diverse range of guests

Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:41 Decision to resign

04:23 Who did you confide in?

09:04 Was there a culture of fear?

10:47 Harrison’s position inside the DIA

12:12 Resignation letter

14:45 On Harrison’s upbringing

19:30 How’d your grandparents look at your decision?

24:30 Looking at Gaza today

29:45 Netanyahu in Congress

32:00 US-Israel intel sharing

36:40 Gaza war ‘wouldn’t have continued without us’

38:29 Killing Arabs ‘not a motivator’ in shifting US policy

47:03 Future prospects?

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the administration does not really care about killing Arabs and that’s not going to be a motivator in shifting policy

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that’s wrong but I think that’s been clear for a long time do you feel like racism is at the heart of it yeah and I

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I I don’t know if I’m prepared to say it’s Unique to the Palestinians Harrison

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man is a former US military intelligence officer who resigned over the Biden administration’s support for Israel’s

0:24

war on Gaza man served in the US Army for 13 years and after his resignation he’s now joined the list of high-profile

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us officials who will publicly resign over America’s role and support of Israel’s war Gaza we’ll unpack his

0:36

decision to resign and we’ll speak to him now where he joins us from Washington DC Harrison man thank you so

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much for speaking to us on real talk thank you thanks for having me Harrison I I I want to start at the very

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beginning I mean obviously this is the question that everybody’s been asking you your decision to resign and the

0:53

reasons behind it and all that um you submitted your resignation in November

0:58

it was finalized in either May May or or June just the last few months but if if

1:04

you even take us before that if you take us back to what was going on through

1:09

your mind before you came to terms with resigning I I recall coming back to the

1:16

office I think on October 8th or 9th after weekend and there was a lot of uh

1:25

energy where I worked and and the the everybody kind of agreed it’s going to be all hands on dead

1:30

give Israel whatever they want you know we got to come to their their aid that message was coming to us uh every every

1:38

Echelon at the same time you know even over the the first couple days after

1:44

October 7th it was clear what kind of campaign the Israelis were going to be launching and that there was going to be

1:51

you know they were publicly calling for um Mass punishment then we could just see from the numbers and see what was

1:57

happening on the ground that they were they were kind of bombing indiscriminately I’ve had previous conversations uh with other us officials

2:04

who have resigned and protest over um the US’s support for Israel’s war on

2:09

Gaza and I think there was a sentiment from the ones that I’ve spoken to is that they were Clinging On just for a

2:16

bit longer because of this perception that they could perhaps change policy

2:22

from within and thinking back I mean they’ve resigned a bit later than you so

2:28

you were actually quite early in November so did you ever have that thought about changing policy from within did that

2:35

cross your mind you know with uh with deep love to my my colleagues in the

2:40

inter agency I think that’s a thought only somebody in State Department might have because if you work in the

2:46

Department of Defense or or the military or the Intel Community um I don’t think that you

2:52

would even have that you would not entertain that fantasy in general and

2:58

certainly not in this situation um I think

3:06

very I have colleagues who and right the Intel Community your job is to inform policy makers so I have colleagues who

3:13

rightly thought that it was very valuable that they keep doing their jobs because they needed to show uh the

3:22

secretary defense and the president the NSC the reality of what was happening and the the you know they they needed

3:30

analysis in order to make wise decisions to manage this conflict um but even those people you know at a certain point

3:37

and also pretty early on I think all of the information that you needed to make a good decision was out there and was

3:43

being provided to the highest levels and it was not changing the policy so I I

3:50

never once expected that I could have uh an impact

3:56

from the inside and you know even my entire

4:01

office where I worked it was clear also early on that even if all of these

4:08

people were working hard and doing their due diligence to to functionally ring

4:14

alarm Bells about the consequences of our policy uh that was not going to change um decision making either who did

4:21

you confide in during that time I mean is there somebody that you went to from family or friends or even colleagues to

4:27

to kind of speak about these thoughts that you were having uh nobody I mean very nobody who I

4:33

worked with I really you know another another feature of this this period

4:39

after October 7th is that nobody was talking openly about their their

4:45

feelings or judgments about what Israel was doing or our support for them and so I I didn’t really feel comfortable

4:52

talking about it in the office which turned out was the way that that everybody I worked with felt or a lot of people at least and it was only I think

5:02

in the spring when I was when I was getting closer to actually leaving and also

5:08

getting closer to making the decision that I was going to talk about it um

5:14

that I talked to some of my um yeah one very good friend who’s also served with

5:20

me um recently and some friends and family and that was the first time you

5:25

actually opened up about it yeah uh it felt

5:31

very I mean there speaking with colleagues I was just very worried about what their reaction would

5:36

be even you know I was like Wow am I gonna get reported for being an Insider threat that’s that’s on the list of of

5:44

bullet points that they in your mandatory training you have to look out for is Extreme dissatisfaction with us policy and you know if nothing else I

5:53

was like well I’m just going to be a pariah in the office for my remaining months here and that won’t do me any good which was just fear and I I talked

5:59

to a few people who are in the similar line of work about

6:05

like yeah this sucks but I I think I was really I was very ashamed to talk about

6:11

it because when I you actually spell it all

6:18

out and I you know if I had to explain why I was feeling guilty or

6:24

conflicted um you know it’s very hard to admit it was hard for me to admit to myself and it was also hard to say it

6:32

out loud because that kind of meant that it was true why did you feel that it was so hard you you us the word ashamed I

6:38

mean why did you feel shamed I I mean the the the reason that I that I ended

6:43

up doing everything that I did was it was very easy for me to see how I

6:50

was aart and you know a direct part

6:57

supporting an organization that was supporting uh the Israeli military

7:03

during uh its campaign in Gaza and you

7:08

know I was not handing bombs to to the Israeli Air Force

7:14

but it was apparent to me the the chain of

7:22

causality and I I was not did not have an important job but from my work to supporting this process to supporting

7:28

another function that enabled uh Israel to

7:33

continue uh slaughtering a lot of people in Gaza and I can say it now to you with

7:40

a with a straight face but that was hard to even verbalize um that thought when

7:47

you did eventually speak out to to your friend uh what was their reaction what

7:53

what did they tell you he was quite supportive and this is somebody who I’ve known for

7:59

a while and who I trust but there’s also still there’s some topics especially in

8:05

the military that that you you often avoid and you know there there’s guys I

8:11

know who I’ve known for a decade and I’ve I’ve never asked them about politics once because in in that

8:16

workplace we would never do that and we might both be a little afraid about what we’d upturn if we we started digging

8:22

into there um and this was a similarly

8:28

politicized topic it’s one the reasons nobody was talking about it really any anywhere in I think in the IC or or

8:34

DOD um so I didn’t quite know what I was going to get um but he he was really supportive and he

8:43

understood and that ended up being my experience going forward with uh with

8:52

pretty much everybody who reached out to me or who I I talked to about this is

8:58

that a lot of people felt the same way and also it felt they could not talk about

9:04

it today but why do you think that is do you think that there was a cultural of fear inside the DIA yeah and I and again

9:11

I don’t want to give make it sound too deliberate I think separate from Israel um and these

9:19

institutions you the culture is you don’t discuss politics and this everybody understood

9:27

and I don’t think this was coming explicitly like from leadership but this is coming from them existing in the

9:33

United States and being consumers of news and political news understanding that the US relationship with Israel was

9:40

a fundamentally politicized topic that was not appropriate to discuss or that

9:47

people did not feel safe discussing the same way we would not you know W walk

9:52

around asking our colleagues who did you vote for but part of that right part of understanding the politic politicization

9:59

of that topic is the sense that this is not a topic that it’s okay to descent on

10:05

or or even you know even in water cooler chat in in the office where analysts

10:11

would routinely you know they talk about why something our relationship with

10:17

another country was dumb or or or some other partner in the region why they were doing something that was clearly a

10:22

bad idea so I think it it was it was a largely self-enforced culture and I’m sure of

10:30

that now because after I sent my letter around the office and that started finally some

10:37

conversations there and my friends who are still there tell me uh yeah now people are talking about it a little

10:43

more openly and and have have broken through that fear can you tell us about your position I mean you were saying a

10:49

few minutes ago that you weren’t you weren’t responsible for policy or you weren’t handing out bombs to the to the

10:54

Israeli Army but if we can understand the nature of your position and the nature of the work you did I mean you

10:59

were an executive officer at the um defense intelligence agency the DIA so

11:05

what does that entail uh I mean I think in in the DC world my job would probably be better understand as like a special

11:12

assistant or something I was basically the assistant to the the official who was in charge of uh all analysis and a

11:20

lot of other programs related to the Middle East in Africa for the agency and

11:26

he ended up also being the person in charge of the crisis response cell that was formed

11:33

after October 7th to handle everything um related to First the the Israel Gaza

11:41

war and then the the pan Middle East crisis that sprouted out of that that

11:46

included responsibility to inform our own policy makers and to

11:53

also cooperate with American partners and allies I supported everything that he did and a lot of the

12:02

project and work that the the center did which is about 400 500 people uh in in

12:08

support of us Israel policy I want to read um just a part of the resignation

12:15

letter that you shared publicly uh I know you touched on a bit of it right now but I kind of want to get your

12:22

reaction to hearing your own words uh being read to you so in one part you said I was afraid afraid of violating

12:30

our professional Norms afraid of disappointing officers I respect afraid

12:35

you would feel betrayed I’m sure some of you will feel that way reading this and what was going

12:41

on through your head when you were writing that I know you you expanded on it a bit earlier but just hearing it now

12:47

what I thought that I would be doing if I spoke earlier about this

12:52

was you know basically going to the office where I’d worked for three years and I I like i’ liked the people I

12:58

worked with I respected them might a good relationship with them and telling everybody uh to go screw

13:05

themselves and that I thought the project that they were devoting not only the project they were devoting

13:11

themselves to was was worthless and evil is that how you felt it though is that how you felt the action was going to be

13:16

perceived that you were telling everyone to screw themselves yes absolutely because it is I I cannot emphasize

13:22

enough how in the Intel community and especially in the uniformed military you

13:27

do not do something like this and you are it is it is

13:34

a cultural value that is useful sometimes that it was ingrained on me from when I even from when before I

13:41

commissioned uh 13 years ago you know when I was when I was at ROTC Cadet which

13:47

is don’t draw attention to yourself don’t jump the chain of command

13:55

which is to say you know if you if you think somebody several eons above you is

14:01

doing something dumb well okay great you keep that to yourself uh it’s

14:08

disruptive and embarrassing and and uh detrimental to

14:15

the to the professionalism of the service and of the the officer Corp if you start speaking out about matters

14:23

above your pay and so it’s it’s tough to

14:31

get outside of that and also if you if you’ve had a military career you have undoubtedly at some point seen somebody

14:37

get too big for their britches or seen somebody uh comment in a way that they weren’t supposed to and and get slapped

14:44

down can we talk a bit about your upbringing where did you grow up in the US uh where are you from um and kind of

14:52

just how you got into the uh military in the first place yeah uh I grew up in

14:57

Atlanta I our community was liberal uh

15:04

Jews largely or or to a certain extent that’s like some of the people I went to to high school with so you grew up

15:10

around a Jewish American Community yeah I would say we we were reform so not uh

15:16

super invested but I think that was very much part of my my

15:23

household and yeah I think my my high school was maybe 50 or 30 %

15:31

Jewish and yeah I mean that’s where both of my my both my

15:37

parents um you know their their parents came either from Eastern Europe or from

15:43

Israel for the most part so I if you’re if you’re wondering how

15:51

did I end up in the in the military I think I mean it was a decision that was

15:56

that was largely cemented my mind when I was in adolesent right like I I was uh 17 or 18 I wanted to do something

16:05

really you know what seemed to me at the time exciting and different and unique

16:11

it was very unique in the community that I came from it was unheard of that somebody join the

16:17

military and I very briefly went to to West Point

16:23

for undergrad did not have a good time uh left but then ended up joining uh RC

16:29

a little later uh anyway yeah that was the time in my life like I was not very

16:36

I was not looking critically at US foreign policy at all I had sort of vague understanding of well this us just

16:43

is doing these wars and you know I don’t want to sit this out it would be good to

16:48

be part of them without without uh digging much deeper

16:53

and certainly over the next 10 10 plus years I matured a little bit and and got

17:00

a little better better informed and had

17:05

experiences that you know allowed me to see our our foreign policy especially in the Middle East from from another

17:11

perspective and do you feel like your Jewish background influenced the decision you took to leave the military

17:19

yeah it did it did 100% because if you grow up Jewish certainly

17:25

ashkanazi grou Jewish I I think this pretty unversal but certainly the way that I I was raised you you do have a

17:33

little bit of a sense of good or bad you’re raised with a little bit of moral absolutism about the

17:40

experience of the Jews in Europe which is to say the pams and the

17:47

Holocaust were were the worst thing that ever happened and everybody associated

17:54

with them is a criminal and I believe I I wrote in the same resignation letter i referenc ref one of my grandparents my

18:00

grandfather who you know would not would not buy a german-made car or like any

18:06

any product Associated even even tangentially with with what he thought were the you know

18:12

with the the Nazis and you know I’ve I’ve been to Yad vashem and and

18:19

different Holocaust museums memorials and and studies and you learn okay that

18:25

the the nberg trials were a great thing Al was it was totally just that they

18:32

tried uh a camp guard who now you know as an adult I

18:39

would say well that that probably wasn’t the most important guy for them to nail um but basically you you have this

18:45

really unquestioning sense that there are certain things that are so evil that if you are even tangentially associated

18:52

with them you’ll you’ll never be forgiven and so that once I understood

18:58

what was happening in in Gaza and not only understood what was

19:03

happening like the extent of the destruction which I think was clear to any outside Observer but also understood

19:10

that our policy was not going to shift and so that if I if I went to work the

19:15

next day or if I went to work the next month I was willingly you know out of my

19:20

own valtion contributing to this uh it was it was very easy to make

19:28

the the moral judgment how do you think your grandparents would feel um and

19:35

would look at the decision that you took they they came from a generation of uh

19:41

unquestioning support for Israel and their lifetime memory is of European

19:48

Jews as a a vulnerable and and victimized people and that’s what they

19:54

they were all staunch supporters of Israel um on the other side of my family

20:00

my grandmother was was born in British Mandi Palestine but from a Jewish

20:05

European family and she met my grandfather uh when he he came as a

20:12

foreign volunteer to fight in the 48 War I I would like to think that all these people who have all who have all since

20:18

passed would be proud of me for taking a stand but I know they would need this

20:24

explain to them because they came from a generation and and this is also parents generation to a certain extent where you

20:31

just never even heard um criticism of Israel and they would certainly been old

20:37

enough to to remember uh you know some of the worst crimes against Jews in Europe and

20:43

remember the the founding of the state of Israel which if you were a Jew who

20:50

received a very certain perspective on that event also seemed like a miraculous occasion and if I may ask within your

20:57

family right now do you feel feel like you’re in a position where you are getting support after you have explained

21:04

your point of view or do you feel like you’re not getting support even after you’ve explained your point of view I’m

21:11

very fortunate that um my my family uh

21:17

is pretty well informed people and I I was not worried about being

21:24

supported by them and I think this experience has has shifted some

21:30

perspectives even a little more but and been an opportunity for a little bit of learning but but even from the

21:38

start I I was confident that they’d be behind me in a previous interview Harrison you said it was impossible not

21:44

to see Echoes of the Holocaust and what’s happening in Gaza um I I’ll just

21:50

read you a quote that you gave seeing photos of charred bodies and burnt corpses and starved emaciated children

21:57

that are from 2020 3 2024 not the 40s it’s impossible not to make that

22:04

connection um you know it’s a very strong statement that others may not say

22:09

publicly in terms of just drawing that connection without fearing of being labeled a certain way so why do you feel

22:16

comfortable just saying that publicly yeah I mean I’m I’m comfortable being somebody who hates Holocaust and is very

22:23

affected by them so that that is the label I’ll I’ll accept and I think what you to is that you know it would some

22:31

people might think that I I would downplay the significance of the

22:37

original event and that’s that’s not what I’m doing at all it goes back to the the kind of moral Clarity and near

22:45

absolutism that that I was raised with that that is not unique to me which

22:51

is yeah these are these are not the same events they’re not you know for for so

22:56

many different reasons um but it’s I don’t know how you can look

23:02

at it and not make at least some of the parallels thematically of you know the

23:10

the again the starving and and mass murder of innocent people the

23:17

confinement and one of the things that was the most affecting to me again going

23:22

back to what I’d been taught about my own people uh is

23:29

you know a people who the World At Large turned their back to and I think it’s

23:37

nobody can deny that about the Palestinians regardless of your your feelings about Israel and you know that

23:44

was something I was raised on is that one of the reason I have have family members or or had family members um who

23:50

ended up in Israel uh and Mexico is that they couldn’t go to the UK and they couldn’t go to the United States because

23:56

those countries wouldn’t let them in um even even as Europe was becoming unwelcoming to them and

24:04

so again it’s it’s that that parallel is is undeniably there and yeah I mean and

24:12

again the comparison comes down to do you you think what happened to Jews in Europe was bad because it uh because it

24:18

happened to Jews or because it happened to people and I’m I’m in the Lou category uh not everybody is

24:24

unfortunately that’s not everyone’s takeaway from from our experience how would you describe what’s happening in

24:30

Gaza today I mean in your letter you you use the term ethnic cleansing when you were describing what was happening in

24:37

the 40s but what would you say about what’s happening in Gaza today yeah I

24:42

mean I I used ethnic cleansing and I that’s still the term that I use the

24:48

most because I think that to me feels

24:55

indisputable and if you’re if you’re driving at well why won’t I say genocide I do think

25:01

right now that’s certainly what it looks like but the reason I I hesitate to use that term sometimes is because I’ve I’ve

25:07

since learned that has a a legal definition and right if if the the

25:16

um IC determines in the end well it didn’t meet the the standard of genocide

25:22

I think there are a lot of people who will disingenuously go like see it wasn’t a genocide and that does not

25:29

interest me I think what’s happening is is clearly wrong and atrocious no matter what but it’s like okay if you know what

25:37

if they they the Israelis bomb the right places enough that somehow Egypt opens

25:43

the gates and Rafa and all the all the people in Gaza run to siai um okay then maybe we’ve avoided it

25:50

being fully a genocide by some legal definition um but it’s still evil and

25:57

wrong and something that we should be trying to avoid at all costs so that’s why sometimes I choose

26:04

my my terminology there because I I don’t really want to get away

26:09

from the what we know for sure is proven

26:14

now one argument that we’ve been hearing from the Israeli government and even the American government is that Israel’s

26:21

actions in Gaza are protecting Jewish life that it was necessary to protect

26:26

Jewish life um I mean how do you react when you when you hear these talking points yeah I I would

26:33

say the results speak for themselves and Jewish life I both both Israelis

26:42

Jewish Israelis and I’d say Jews elsewhere in the world uh has has gotten

26:47

less safe as a direct result of the US and Israel’s actions since October 7th

26:54

and I I just talking about Israel you’re looking at this at the perspective of what’s good for Israel uh well they I

27:00

think they’ve now been bombed by or rocketed by like five different

27:05

countries since October 7th um most of whom did not start out as

27:11

belligerant and you have you know clo I think upwards of 60,000 Israelis in

27:17

Northern Israel who can’t go back to their homes because uh Isola rocket fire

27:23

uh you have the houthis landing a lucky hit you know could say finally in Tel

27:28

Aviv and then now and I’m happy to discuss this in more detail we are we are very close to the precipice of this

27:35

larger War probably gonna start between hisbah and Israel and if that happens

27:45

um Israel’s going to suffer a lot of Destruction so I think it’s very hard to

27:50

say it’s not accurate to say that anything that’s happened since has made Jews in Israel safer and in terms of

27:59

people here Jews here um this isn’t right but there’s there’s a a lot of

28:06

people who will now associate the the Star of David with the thing that

28:12

Israeli troops are graffitiing on people’s houses in Gaza and how does that strike you I mean it’s it’s

28:19

infuriating and it’s scary right people and the fact that

28:29

forget what what Netanyahu says but American leaders and American Jewish

28:34

leaders from the even from October were describing this as a conflict that was

28:39

needed to protect Jews not to protect Israelis or protect an ally but we are doing this for Jews which is of course

28:46

the claim the Israelis always make but it’s it’s jarring to hear talk like that from from Tuck Schumer and from

28:53

other uh American politicians and

28:59

so forging that connection in people’s minds between what happens in Gaza and Jews

29:06

around the world is incredibly dangerous and most generously it it’ll give

29:13

existing anti-semites cover for for some some level of action uh

29:21

and people who are less informed are also going to see that and think okay well this is this is not an Israel

29:28

thing this is actually something all je stand behind so yeah that’s that’s it’s

29:33

not the the my greatest worry but that’s frightening too and and that was another

29:39

avoidable conflict of the way we’ve handled this another sort avoidable consequence of the way that we’ve

29:44

handled this when you sign Netanyahu come to Congress and give his speech and then you had all these elected officials

29:50

you know clapping cheering standing Elations kind of like you know adoring fans of of a foreign the one who’s you

29:57

know being accused of being a war criminal of all things what are the the thoughts that come to your mind when you

30:02

see such actions yeah and so I was actually at the hill that day were you there yeah so there was

30:10

um in in large part actually thanks to to hit uh there was a counter event with

30:16

some Israeli and Palestinian activists that a number of members of of Congress

30:21

attended and I was at that and some of the other the other counter events I mean when you see that and I I’ll first

30:28

start with the hopeful part which is I so I was in I was being hosted by congresswoman

30:34

deoz um from Illinois and in the morning we’d seen that her and a couple dozen

30:40

members had had publicly announced that they weren’t going to attend the event and then uh as the morning progressed

30:47

more and more names trickled through and then Nancy Pelosi said she wasn’t gonna go and by the end we had about half of

30:56

Democrats in the House and Senate had said they weren down which was really awesome and that that’s new and that

31:01

that’s should give you a tiny bit of Hope but the the remaining uh 75% of the legislature that

31:10

decide to stay there it it again it makes it very difficult to to argue that

31:17

what’s happening in Gaza is not a popular project that reflects the

31:23

will of the American people and I know that that’s not true but when you have

31:29

most of our Representatives up there in engaged in the spectacle you know that that’s you

31:37

ask does this make Jews more less safe you know this this makes all Americans

31:42

less safe and I I’m sure Howa talked to you about this but when when you have three quarters of the American

31:49

legislature applauding Netanyahu 10 months into the war you know if you need an excuse to

31:57

attack American civilian targets you’ve got it I’d like to to to just kind of take a step back and look at the the DIA

32:04

and and kind of give viewers an opportunity to understand its its role and especially the role of American

32:11

intelligence from your experience I mean can you describe the value of the intelligence support that the US

32:17

provides Israel yeah and I I’ll say some of this in Broad terms sure yeah yeah I

32:23

understand you know I think arms transfers are are a very well

32:28

aspect of our support uh diplomatic support to a certain extent but yeah Intel sharing in

32:35

general with with any Ally is an incredibly powerful tool it’s not one that I fully understood until I I got

32:43

into that world but yes it’s an incredibly powerful tool of diplomacy and it’s it’s a powerful way of supporting partners

32:52

and there’s no country in the world that kind of has the level of of visibility and collection capability that the US

32:58

has you know some some of our Intel sharing we’ve been quite public about with Israel which is that we are

33:04

supporting them on hostage recovery and targeting high value

33:09

officials uh and then also with with some help locating underground

33:14

facilities in general that stuff is kind of valuable uh Israel can I think has

33:19

mostly handled that on their own but when you think about a country like Israel we who was surprised by October 7

33:28

to a certain extent which gives you an indication of the the limitations of their

33:34

own uh intelligence apparatuses which I think are very good

33:40

at like tracking down a guy and assassinating him or kidnapping him and interrogating him are are less capable

33:48

of making making strong strateg strategic judgments about what’s going on in the

33:54

region what’s going on in the world so this country that was a little bit surprised by October 7th are they going

34:00

to have a really good idea about what’s going on in Yemen are they going to have a handle on what the houthis are up to or on you know any of the other

34:09

adversaries that are now attacking either either daily or intermittently no probably not but the US would yeah we

34:16

might we might we we have much longer reach and we’ve been we’ve been looking at at parts of the world much longer

34:23

than the Israelis have or than than many of our partners have and so yeah I’ll

34:30

I’ll leave it there but theoretically it would be easier to make good decisions

34:36

if you understood your adversaries better how deep or how far do you

34:43

believe the US complicity and what’s happening in Gaza is you know how entrenched is this Intel support we know

34:49

we know we obviously know about the the arms deals and the arms support and the arms Aid um but I’m referencing the in

34:56

the Intel support how from and again that’s from your experience how far does it go when it comes to complicity in

35:03

Gaza it’s a very very close relationship yeah but the I will say the the Israelis

35:09

don’t need our help and I don’t think they’re Consulting us when they decide to bomb a school in in Gaza right so

35:18

that in terms of operational their their day-to-day

35:23

decisions including what they blow up and who they kill I’m I’m pretty sure that they’re doing that on their

35:32

own uh it doesn’t mean that we never have knowledge of it because it’s a very

35:37

close relationship but I don’t think I don’t think we would

35:44

ever even if everything was Declassified would not find any Smoking Gun where an

35:49

American told an Israeli hey go go blow up that Target

35:54

that has a bunch of civilians in it now right after the hostage recovery

36:01

operation which I believe was last month that also killed 100 of Palestinians Jake Sullivan proudly said hey we we

36:08

gave them Intel that helped with that so it doesn’t mean that just like in

36:14

every other form of support we give them we we don’t have an idea of of where it’s going to end which is

36:21

them killing a lot of civilians but I don’t think there are strikes

36:28

I don’t think we have a direct hand in um in their strikes or in their

36:33

operations in general in Gaza when it comes to us complicity do you have a particular thought about it yeah I mean

36:40

we listen the whole the the entire operation in Gaza could would

36:46

not have continued to this point without us I mean like physically would not be possible uh the Munitions are the most

36:53

important aspect of this uh because they just would have run out and there’s no substitute for the United States for

37:00

this quantity of a lot of these Munitions and certainly not delivering them this fast so even just that on its

37:07

own they would have run out a long time ago and and if they wanted to keep fighting they could do it with you know

37:13

sticks and knives but they would not have uh a lot of the bombs or or tank or

37:20

artillery Munitions that they depend on and then and this is somewhere where

37:26

where Intel support I think becomes most important right we we have US

37:33

forces in combat right now and and deployed throughout the region to protect Israel from all of its neighbors

37:40

to protect it from the the reactions that it’s it’s

37:45

provoking uh so that’s another another way that

37:52

like if we had not been fighting the houthis on Israel’s behalf for nine

37:58

months at this point right that means that Israeli assets would need to be

38:04

defending Southern Israel and shooting down the stuff that hthy shot right and that means those are aircraft that can’t

38:10

be bombing Gaza so they’ve got to be flying around a lot looking for drones or missiles to shoot

38:16

down and you know I think a lot of the Intel support Falls a little bit into that category is we are making sure that

38:25

they’re not fighting in the dark and where do you see this going on to I’m

38:31

talking about the war on Gaza and what’s obviously unfolding in the rest of the region too it’s really really dangerous

38:38

and very frustrating to watch in part

38:44

because nothing that’s happening today is a surprise it would not have come as surprise to the people that I worked

38:51

with it’s their job to write about these things so that so like the

38:59

I think I this doesn’t mean we should accept it but I understood a long time ago that the administration does not

39:06

really care about killing Arabs and that’s not going to be a motivator in shifting policy and that’s wrong but I

39:14

think that’s been clear for a long time do you feel like racism is at the heart of it yeah and I I I don’t know if I’m

39:22

prepared to say it’s Unique to the Palestinians I mean I think

39:27

the value of of Arab life in general or our perceived value of of Arab life in

39:33

general is is a important prerequisite to our most of our Middle East policy right in the in

39:40

the way that we’re willing to take all kinds of operations and plans that we know are going to kill a lot of

39:46

civilians and we we probably would be loathed to to do something that killed that many uh ukrainians and that’s how

39:55

we help the the Israeli treat the Palestinians but it’s also past 20 years

40:01

and all kinds of you know either drone strikes that killed a couple dozen civilians along with the Target or

40:07

without the target throughout the region or you know even the the defeat Isis

40:14

Campaign which I think met its goal but there were portions of that where we were just we knew uh that bombing some

40:22

of these cities was going to kill thousands of people yeah like mosul yeah yeah could we make those same decisions

40:29

when it’s not brown people I I think it’s less likely and you can see

40:37

right we have the we have the benefit of watching in real time the reaction to Gaza and the reaction to Ukraine and

40:42

even though that’s interest is Peter out a little bit at the same time so I I

40:47

think it’s clearly valuing and it’s there’s could

40:54

be no argument that we we don’t value Israeli lives over Palestinian lives or other Arab

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lives so but again that like you know what I’m saying I’m sure does not surprise you

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and it doesn’t really surprise me what is still a little surprising now is in

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addition to the total lack of interest in you know forget protecting

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Palestinian lives but like interest in avoiding being directly uh responsible for their death uh is the

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is the lack of Interest of in avoiding

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this Regional war that will probably start with Israel and Hezbollah which

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would be from the most uh self-interested perspective I mean a disaster for us a

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disaster for the US and and certainly won’t be a good look before the election and so once we

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get to the point where hisbah sees the us as not just Israel supporter but a a

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direct combatant in this conflict and from their point of view a conflict that

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seeks to annihilate them then the the gloves will be off and you know we we

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have these very little exposed bases mostly scattered around Iraq and Syria that have already been easy targets for

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local militias um but we have we have bigger bases around the region and

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embassies and our you know fifth we and the ships in the Mediterranean like we

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we have a lot of things that are very big very easy very exposed targets that

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Iranian proxy groups including hisbah have been drawing up plans for how to hit for the past decade and

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so you know that that’s the moment that really scares me from just the US

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perspective and that’s that’s leading aside you know Netanyahu also trying to get us to go go to war with Iran which

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will probably be an accompanying ask which I I have slightly more confidence that the administration will say no

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to but yeah the it’s it’s very easy to imagine us getting to a place where a

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lot of Americans in the region are now being killed and that that draws Us in

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closer and the one of the many tragedies

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here aside from this entire conflict being preventable very easily

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preventable I think still now uh is it’s going to be pointless because Israel cannot defeat his Bala in

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a real way even with our Helm right I mean it’s it’s they run Southern Lebanon they’re

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both socially and and physically right deeply dug in and politically as well

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yeah yeah and politically yeah so nothing if we wanted to imagine what would it take to to defeat hisbah in the

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way of really eliminating the threat imagine you know in IR Rock style lengthy occupation

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if if you actually wanted to do it which I don’t think we’re going to do the Israelis are physically not capable of

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doing it just in terms of of Manpower so it’s not going to achieve anything and

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even if somehow the the war doesn’t spread to to full spectrum

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conflict beyond the confines of Lebanon and Israel it’s it’s going to be incredibly destructive but it it won’t

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achieve anything right we would have we will have done this big wasteful project for no reason if it does band another

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another really easy to hit Target worth noting is going to be um our partners

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oil infrastructure in the region which the houthis yeah yeah in the gulf and I and

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I I’m only mentioning this because if you want to link this back to how what we’re doing now is a is a bad idea you

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know not just morally and strategically but also termin electoral perspective is is we are we are choosing

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a course of events that will shoot up gas prices right before the

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election and you know I part of me thinks that the gulf

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infrastructure will actually be safe because once this as this continues to

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heat up or once it kicks off I think we’re going to see a lot more countries do I think what Egypt has already

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announced which is basically tell the US that they’re going to have no part in it and they want to be kept as far away

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from the conflict as they they can we’ve seen this a little bit um earlier with with some

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countries I think it was in the news that the Emirates asked us to stop Flying combat

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missions um out of our bases there because they were afraid of what the houthis were going to do to them

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so you know just another complicating factor with all this is that we’re going to lose I think a lot of the the

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airspace and basing that we’ve enjoyed in the region which is not the most important

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consequence but I I it’s something we used to think about a lot where I worked

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and uh one consequence of that is means instead of launching strikes from from

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the Gulf uh we’re going to be launching them on carriers which again it’s been

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theorized are a famously large and easy to hit Target we’ve never put one up against like an asymmetric threat before

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that can swarm it with boats or drones uh and and or we’re going to be flying strikes

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and operations out of our bases in Mediterranean europeo

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and those can be targets too yeah you’re you’re basically sounding the alarm of

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of what’s what could happen yes I I’m I’m getting a little bit in the weeds but the short answer is if we start this

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we’ll be up against an enemy that’s much more motivated than us and has thought for a very long time about how they can

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hit our scattered and sometimes vulnerable military and diplomatic infrastructure I

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want to move back Circle back to you before we uh end our conversation here you’re a very young guy you’re you still

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have so much ahead of you and the reason why I say that is that do you think about your career and future um

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prospects you know do you think your public criticism of Israel will affect or limit career prospects for you in the

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coming future yeah absolutely I mean in the near run for sure I have some hope

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that maybe this still won’t win me any friends in DC but five or 10 years from now I will be able to say well I even if

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it’s only to win an argument at a dinner party well I was right about this back then so listen to me now but you know

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there there’s also this has introduced me to uh a lot of new people you were now

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one of them right who understand what I did and supported

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so so I I that was something I was very concerned about as well right when I was making this decision was making a

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decision to publicize what I didn’t because I I live in DC I want to stay in

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that world is that I’d become a persona ngra but uh I’ve I’ve discovered that

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there’s a lot of people you know I wish there were more but there’s still a lot of people who are working hard with the

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means available to them to try and and end this war and rationalize US policy

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in the Middle East in general so my hope is that with their help and people have

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been very forthcoming with their support that I can continue to to Advocate and

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weigh in on this conversation as long as I I have anything valuable to that and

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my last question for you Harrison when you look back years from now on your decision what do you hope the main

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takeaway will be in addition to the to to winning the arguments at at the dinner table yeah I’m not very

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optimistic so at at

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least I know I’ll be able to say that when given given the opportunity I I

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tried to be on the right side of history and but I hope more than that I I hope

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I’ll be able to look back on this and know that I was one one minuscule part of the the

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pressure campaign that led to some uh some change in how we treat the

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region and specifically how we treat Israel and how we treat the Palestinians and on that note Harrison man thank you

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so much for speaking to us on real talk I appreciate you coming on I appreciate taking the time to to to speak to us and share your experience my pleasure thank

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you [Music]

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