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From Palestine to the World: Angela Davis & Dr. Gabor Maté on the global struggle for liberation

This conversation is part of the release of the new documentary film “Where Olive Trees Weep” https://whereolivetreesweep.com/.

In this conversation, legendary activist and scholar Angela Davis and Dr. Gabor Maté, physician and author, explore the intersections between the Palestinian struggle for freedom and broader global movements for justice, equity, and human liberation. Drawing parallels between the oppression faced by Palestinians and the systemic injustice confronting marginalized communities around the world,

Angela and Gabor will shed light on the common roots of violence, occupation, and dehumanization. They will examine how trauma, both individual and collective, perpetuates cycles of conflict and how healing these wounds is integral to achieving genuine liberation.

Transkripzioa:

Introduction

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at this very moment we have 600,000

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people that are fleeing Rafa and there’s

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no safe place for them to go fuel

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medicine and all other supplies have

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been cut off in the meantime the de

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machine in West Bank is continuing to

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intensify we there are over

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11,000 prisoners 4,000 of them under

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administrative detention meaning means

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no charge charge

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uh including one of the character in our

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film Basim Tamimi is currently again

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imprison for the 10

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time and settler attacks are

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intensifying being supported by the

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military um and this week us approved

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another billion uh for arms to Israel at

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the same time we also seeing

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unprecedented degree of global

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resistance and solidarity with Palestine

1:04

we’re watching the

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incredible courage of the students that

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gives us so much hope to see young

1:14

people standing for truth and Justice

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with so much courage and

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Clarity um Gabor and Angela you have

1:23

both been um advocating for Palestinian

1:28

rights for

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for decades does this moment feel any

1:34

unique or

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different um than any other times before

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and just gab I remember when we were in

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the West Bank uh you said I don’t hope

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to see any change in my lifetime and I

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wonder that was two years ago I wonder

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if that might have changed for

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you um maybe we start yeah

2:01

when I said that I meant that I don’t

2:02

expect to see

2:04

any dismantling of designist apparatus I

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don’t see any easing in the occupation I

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see nothing more than further um

2:14

imposition

2:16

um Angel and I have been in own ways

2:19

engaged with the struggle for a long

2:21

long time and over that period of time

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we’ve seen the occupation get more Stark

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more oppressive more brutal

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uh less even U willing to hide its

2:34

depredations from the

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public um the change that I have seen

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since October the

2:42

7th lo and behold the New York Times in

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the last two days had some pretty decent

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articles talking about what the

2:50

occupation actually looks like and the

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crimes of the occupation and the

2:54

experience of the Palestinians I didn’t

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expect to see that and I didn’t expect

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to see the the massive um uprisings uh

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in favor of Palestinian rights in favor

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of the truth that we’ve winess

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witnessing Dr 7th Angela said a long

3:10

time ago that the Palestinian issue is a

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moral litmus test for all of uh Humanity

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um I didn’t expect to see that litmus

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test become so clear to so many people

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so that’s the change that I’ve

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seen and

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you have anything to add to that oh yes

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um you know this is a on the one hand a

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very very difficult moment uh uh because

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we’ve

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seen uh an escalation of violence and

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and and

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torture uh intensification of of

3:54

Zionism uh and so many Palestinian

3:57

people are suffering

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but at the same time uh I know I have

4:03

never experienced uh such a moment of

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hope uh for the cause of Palestinian

4:11

freedom and I think it’s important to to

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recognize that um when we are involved

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in these struggles uh for Liberation uh

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around the

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world often times there is no Clear

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Vision of what the outcome will

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be there are no um

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guarantees but at the same

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time we we we have

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evidence that our activism does make a

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difference the work we do does make a

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difference and even though we may not

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know when we will see the evidence of

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that difference uh I I think that is

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what we have to keep um at the center of

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our vision like Gabor I never really

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expected to

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experience of something like this Global

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surge in um

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support uh around uh the the the cause

5:19

of Palestinian Freedom uh I but on the

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other hand I

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knew and I have known that if we

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continue the struggle that one day um

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the the fruits of our struggle will

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become

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manifest and I think that you know those

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of us like Gabor and and myself who’ve

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been involved in this this this movement

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for decades and decades we’re really

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privileged to be able to see uh some of

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the consequences uh uh of of the work

5:53

that so many people have done over so

5:56

many decades uh so I think that you know

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those who um are often um very sad that

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they don’t see immediate results uh uh

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can learn uh from this experience not

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only with respect to the cause of

6:15

Palestinian Liberation but the cause of

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global Freedom uh people all over the

6:21

world in in the Sudan and high and and

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and and other uh places that where

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people continue to suffer

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angel I have a question for you um when

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I looked at my Instagram website there’s

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you know announcing this conversation

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with me you and I there was the usual

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enthusiastic hellos there was the

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acknowledgements then there the usual um

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impersonal um insults to

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either or both you and I that’s that’s

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just part for the course but one comment

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that I do did see a number of times is

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all this talking and nothing’s going to

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change and

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um it’s true I have to admit this

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conversation is not likely to save the

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life of or to live in a little finger of

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one Palestinian baby or for that matter

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um and I have to say the tragedy on both

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sides I mean I looked at some list of

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Israeli soldiers killed in the last week

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or two they listed four four is soldiers

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dead last week so and so Sergeant so and

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so 19 Sergeant so and so 19 Sergeant so

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and so 19 and force Sergeant so and so

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19 imagine a society that where 19y olds

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are sergeants and they’re dead you know

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and

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so not that I’m equating the suffering

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or the responsibility on the both sides

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that’s the last thing that I do what I’m

7:56

addressing is for all this talking that

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we do

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it’s true we’re not going to save a

8:02

single life so I’m not asking this

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cynically and I suppose it’s a

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rhetorical question because of my own

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answer but what is your answer to this

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question of we can do all this talking

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and advocating and activism it’s not

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going to save a single

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life well uh Gabor I think that if one

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um simply considers one instance uh uh

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then yeah of course uh one conversation

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will never make a difference one

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individual may never make a

8:34

difference um and of course we who live

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in the west are accustomed to think um

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on those with those terms uh uh we see

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the individual as the unit of society we

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focus myopically on on on on single

8:51

experiences but if one takes all of them

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together if one you know multiplies this

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uh this kind conversation by um a

9:02

thousand or a million uh if one uh

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multiplies the the the protests that are

9:10

themselves multiplying all over the

9:12

world uh one can begin to see a

9:15

difference um and I think that um what

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is um perhaps so important uh during

9:22

this period especially is to imagine

9:26

ourselves not as single individuals

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imagine our acts not as isolated acts uh

9:33

but uh connect it to vast numbers of

9:37

people and vast numbers of protests all

9:40

over the world that is what is capable

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of bringing about

9:46

change can tell you why in your life um

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you’ve considered the Palestine such a

9:52

moral as as I have by the way too uh

9:55

such a moral lmos test for the hor world

9:58

world and in one of your books you talk

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about an amazing incident

10:02

where um you were when you were in jail

10:06

yourself in 1970 I think it was um and

10:09

then you were tried on qualy terrorism

10:12

charges and you were eventually

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acquitted but you received

10:16

many

10:18

um many uh messages support and

10:21

solidarity from people over the world

10:23

including from

10:24

Palestine yeah including from

10:26

Palestinian prisoners and then when you

10:29

with as at Palestine yourself you

10:31

actually met some of these

10:34

people who had who were prisoners at the

10:36

time when you were a prisoner and and

10:39

they had supported you was a

10:41

serendipitous meeting well apart from

10:43

your personal

10:45

experience why is Palestine such

10:47

a load Stone such a l l test for the

10:51

whole world I think it is I’d love to

10:53

have your words explaining

10:55

why um well first of all uh let me say

10:59

that um I have quoted my friend my um my

11:04

my close friend and comrade who’s no

11:07

longer with us the poet the black

11:10

feminist poet June

11:12

Jordan uh who said many many years ago

11:16

that Palestine was a moral litmus test

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so I just want I I I I want to uh make

11:24

sure that people uh recognize uh June

11:27

Jordan as someone who was a Pioneer uh

11:31

you know calling upon uh people all over

11:34

the country uh all over the world and

11:36

especially calling upon people involved

11:39

in movements for black black liberation

11:43

uh to stand up uh uh for Palestinian

11:46

Freedom um uh I truly believe that

11:50

Palestine is a moral litus

11:53

test that

11:55

um that one’s position on Palestine is

12:00

indicative of of of one’s um sense of

12:06

what Global Liberation is all about so

12:09

that when we support Palestine we’re not

12:13

saying that we only support Palestine uh

12:17

uh we’re saying that we support

12:19

struggles for freedom and Liberation all

12:22

over the world and be precisely because

12:26

of the tenacity of the pales inian

12:29

people uh precisely because they have

12:32

refused to give up uh uh since 1948

12:37

since 1967 the uh I when when I visited

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um Palestine in

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2011 I talked to a a man who was a

12:48

storekeeper uh just um you know a

12:51

conversation in the in the in the course

12:53

of purchasing something at his store and

12:57

he said to me he said as long long as

13:00

there is a single Olive Tree left in

13:04

Palestine we will fight for the

13:08

liberation of our people and that has

13:11

stayed with me uh uh and I think that is

13:14

the the the the the reason why we point

13:18

to

13:19

Palestine um as indicative of struggles

13:23

for Liberation all over the world uh

13:26

black people have been very much

13:29

inspired by the struggle in

13:32

Palestine uh people in other parts of

13:35

the world have been inspired by that and

13:38

we know that if we manage to defeat

13:41

Zionism we will be able to defeat racism

13:44

everywhere we will be able to defeat um

13:48

we will be we will have a sense of what

13:50

it means to engage in struggles to

13:55

overturn uh racial

13:57

capitalism uh uh you know from

14:00

Palestine uh to uh um Alabama let me

14:07

say I think U there’s something unique

14:12

about Zionism that you touch upon

14:15

um um in one of your pieces uh you talk

14:19

about that Israel is um not only the

14:23

purveyor of a colonial settler project

14:26

but also one of the activ one that

14:29

actively continues its violent expansion

14:31

in the 21st centuries now the last seven

14:35

months I have to say have been the

14:37

heaviest darkest time of my adult life

14:39

you know I mean and I this is subject

14:42

for me and maybe it’s my jewishness and

14:44

my own close relationship to the issue

14:46

um I don’t know what it’s like for you

14:47

you’ve lived through the same times that

14:49

I’ve lived through the Vietnam War the

14:52

Civil Rights struggle South Africa

14:55

paride um and and you know struggle but

14:58

there’s something about this and I’m not

14:59

talking about numbers of deaths because

15:02

I mean in Iraq half a million civilians

15:05

were killed um not that long ago in in

15:08

Vietnam millions of people died but

15:11

there’s something about the quality of

15:13

it that seems even more deeply

15:15

disturbing and upsetting for me than

15:18

what I’ve seen elsewhere and I don’t

15:20

know if that’s true for you um but I

15:22

think what it is for me is yes this is a

15:25

colonial settler project it had to

15:28

become one of otherwise you couldn’t

15:29

have

15:31

succeeded but it’s almost like we’re

15:33

seeing world history in speed it up

15:37

fashion in a few months because this is

15:39

went on for centuries here in North

15:40

America here’s what this is when went on

15:43

in in Africa for centuries and decades

15:46

and so on but here it’s always like

15:48

we’re seting up on our TV sets and our

15:51

in our Instagrams and our Tik toks and

15:53

we’re seeing it in real live it’s almost

15:55

like we’re looking at this horrendous

15:56

version of our own past speed it up

15:59

magnified I don’t know if if it strikes

16:01

you that way but it’s like the whole

16:02

Colonial history is like shown us now in

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it’s unbled horror and we can’t overt

16:09

our

16:14

eyes yeah thank you so much for um

16:17

making that point

16:20

and

16:21

um you know I would add that uh the

16:25

influence of of Zionism has been so so

16:30

powerful uh that it has blurred uh

16:33

people’s Vision uh who who are otherwise

16:38

uh take Progressive positions about the

16:41

need for to support human rights in in

16:44

and in in the world uh there you know

16:47

this phenomenon of progressive except

16:50

for

16:52

Palestine yeah it’s something that we

16:54

have been challenging uh for a very long

16:58

time

16:59

and it um continues um it continues

17:02

today uh uh and as someone who went to a

17:07

Jewish University I attended brandise

17:11

University uh so that uh and I and I

17:14

come

17:15

from the segregated South as a matter of

17:18

fact I grew up in the city that was uh

17:21

the most segregated city in in the

17:23

country U and our

17:29

our first White allies were Jewish

17:32

people yeah so you know I grew up with

17:35

this uh sense of of the need to

17:38

challenge

17:40

anti-Semitism you know but at the same

17:42

time when I found out what was happening

17:45

in in in in

17:47

Palestine uh early on um um attending a

17:52

university that was founded in the very

17:54

same year as the state of Israel uh I

17:57

learned from my my Jewish

18:00

friends about the contradictions uh uh

18:05

and and and so so I grew up with a sense

18:08

of the need both to challenge

18:11

anti-Semitism and to stand with

18:14

Palestinian people struggling against

18:16

the settler Colonial violence uh

18:20

inflicted by by

18:23

Israel so so I would say that um that is

18:29

been the the most difficult issue the

18:33

assumption that if you are

18:36

against

18:39

anti-Semitism then you have to be

18:43

opposed to the Palestinian struggle for

18:46

Freedom if you are against anti-Semitism

18:50

you have to stand with the state of

18:53

Israel uh uh and

19:00

my experience has been

19:03

that Progressive Jewish people are the

19:07

ones who have given leadership to the

19:10

struggle precisely because they

19:12

recognize the kinship between what is

19:15

happening in pal in the occupation of

19:18

Palestine and what happened historically

19:21

in terms of of of the Holocaust uh um so

19:26

I you know I I I I think that um the the

19:29

the contradiction the apparent

19:33

contradiction uh is something that we U

19:36

have to um uh recognize is is not a

19:41

contradiction uh to be opposed to

19:44

anti-Semitism to be opposed to racism to

19:47

be opposed to settler colonialism and

19:50

its impact on the Palestinian people is

19:55

one struggle one global strugg struggle

19:59

for human

20:00

rights I think one aspect of that

20:04

difficulty is that

20:06

um Zionism isn’t just a standalone

20:09

movement it’s very much uh embedded in

20:12

interwoven with the much larger and much

20:15

more powerful Imperial project so

20:19

therefore as long as the Empire and its

20:22

media

20:23

acolytes um see Zionism as necessary to

20:28

their purposes is very difficult for

20:30

people here to even hear the other side

20:32

and as I mentioned earlier today

20:36

perhaps for two days in a Rollo the New

20:38

York Times I had take my take take my

20:41

hat off I’m also almost speechless has

20:44

presented today and yesterday two

20:46

articles that actually tell the truth

20:48

about the occupation but that’s

20:50

extraordinary unusual and usually and

20:53

for decades the emphasis has been on

20:56

violence of the other side and at some

20:58

point

20:59

you actually right I’m just going to

21:00

quote you if I may you say uh and you

21:03

wrote this in your book uh freedom is a

21:05

constant struggle published in 2016 so

21:08

lest anybody think thinks that history

21:11

began on October the 7th we’ve been

21:13

talking about this for a long long long

21:15

time and Angela wrote in 2016 is that um

21:20

placing the question of violence at the

21:22

Forefront almost inevitably serves to

21:25

obscure the issues that are at the

21:27

center of our struggles for Justice and

21:30

uh can you just talk about that how the

21:32

the violent um I don’t know anybody

21:37

that justify some of the events that

21:40

happened on October 7th I don’t want

21:41

anybody who does um but at the same time

21:44

if we assume that that’s where it all

21:46

began and the only issue is Palestinian

21:49

violence what can we possibly understand

21:51

so placing this issue of violence at the

21:54

Forefront is is is a way of ignoring

21:58

all the history and all the systemic

22:00

issues that actually result in the

22:02

eruptions of that violence can you talk

22:05

about that uh yeah thank you um gavor

22:08

this is um an issue that um has

22:12

always clouded struggles for Liberation

22:16

uh uh I can talk just briefly about the

22:21

the Black Liberation movement in the US

22:24

uh and uh there were of course those who

22:29

advocated uh um the use of violence um

22:33

mostly for self-defense uh uh and and

22:38

and and we were often

22:41

interrogated about um

22:44

um uh why we didn’t take a position of

22:48

absolute nonviolence uh uh and we

22:53

pointed out that you know self-defense

22:55

is about defending not only individuals

22:59

but defending the right to be in

23:03

struggle uh for Liberation uh uh but

23:08

violence was always the central issue

23:10

and of course that

23:13

misconstrued the extent to which the

23:16

state used violence

23:19

against struggles for a better world uh

23:23

and it uh prevented people from

23:27

recognizing in the extent to which the

23:30

state was in possession of the Monopoly

23:33

of violence and so you know Palestinian

23:37

young Palestinian um uh uh people who

23:41

use rocks uh uh to indicate their uh uh

23:51

their refusal their refusal to Ascent to

23:58

occup

23:59

occupation U becomes the um the emblem

24:03

of violence whereas the tanks and the

24:06

bombs uh of the IDF uh are not

24:11

considered uh violence in that respect

24:14

uh so I I you know I I I think we have

24:18

to talk about violence because violence

24:21

does corrupt violence does uh you know

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@tobararbulu # mmt@tobararbulu

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(https://www.youtube.com/live/-VectWsWc1Q)

Visit https://www.WhereOliveTreesWeep.com for more information about the film. World Premiere, June 6-27, 2024

“Where Olive Trees Weep” offers a searing window into the struggles and resilience of the Palestinian people under Israeli occupation. It explores themes of loss, trauma, and the quest for justice.

We follow, among others, Palestinian journalist and therapist Ashira Darwish, grassroots activist Ahed Tamimi, and Israeli journalist Amira Hass. We witness Dr. Gabor Maté offering trauma-healing work for a group of women who have been tortured in Israeli prisons.

Ancient landscapes bear deep scars, having witnessed the brutal reality of ancestral land confiscation, expulsions, imprisonment, home demolitions, water deprivation, and denial of basic human rights. Yet, through the veil of oppression, we catch a glimpse of resilience—deep roots that have carried the Palestinian people through decades of darkness and shattered lives.

This emotional journey bares the humanity of the oppressed while grappling with the question: what makes the oppressor so ruthlessly blind to its own cruelty?

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About “Where Olive Trees Weep”

The film gives background to the current crisis in Israel/Palestine and brings to light the lives of people we met on our 2022 journey in the occupied West Bank. Their universally human stories speak of intergenerational pain, trauma and resilience. We hope they touch your heart, stir compassion and understanding, and give rise to a pursuit for justice. For without justice, peace remains an empty slogan.

Cinema can be a powerful force for change. Our aim is, beyond mere education, to truly move hearts and minds and inspire audiences to echo the calls for freedom, equality and dignity that have gone unanswered for far too long.

The film is our modest contribution towards our dream for an end to the occupation in Palestine, the attainment of equal rights and fair treatment for Palestinian people, and the spreading of healing for all intergenerational cycles of trauma in the region.

Directors’ Statement

Where Olive Trees Weep explores themes of loss, trauma, and the quest for justice. We follow, among others, Palestinian journalist and therapist Ashira Darwish, grassroots activist Ahed Tamimi, and Israeli journalist Amira Hass. We also watch Dr. Gabor Maté support a group of women seeking understanding and healing and offer his insights into intergenerational trauma.

Through the veil of oppression, we catch a glimpse of resilience—deep roots that have carried the Palestinian people through decades of darkness and shattered lives. This emotional journey bares the humanity of the oppressed while grappling with the question: what makes the oppressor so ruthlessly blind to its own cruelty?

Where Olive Trees Weep: Official Trailer (2024)

Transkripzioa:

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(Michael Hudson-en bidetik)

… the only way of stopping what’s happening in Gaza happening in the rest of the world is to create an alternative to the United Nations, an alternative to the World Bank, to the IMF, an alternative to all the organizations that the United States has controlled to turn the whole rest of the world into Gaza, …

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Warren Mosler, maisu eta gidari

“Any school of thought that is not ‘MMT consistent’ is inapplicable

with regards to any actual economy”

“DTM-rekin koherentea ez den edozein pentsamendu eskola

aplikaezina zaio gaur egungo edozein ekonomiari”

(Warren Mosler, 2013)

#LearnMMT